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[BSLChrisStoner]

BSL:  Bradish done, thoughts

https://baltimorespo...e-for-the-year/

[BSLSteveBirrer]

Thoughts? It would be too negative toward the FO.

[BaltBird 24]

Yup. Just brutal to not go after another SP knowing Means, Bradish, and Wells were damaged goods.

[85Knight]

BSL: Bradish done, thoughts
https://baltimorespo...e-for-the-year/

I think most of us on this board thought this was coming when we got the news back in January. Hindsight is 20/20 but he should have had the surgery then but they chose to hope for a miracle. Elias has no choice now but to make some big time moves. We've lost 3 starters who who won't be back until 2026 in all probability.

[Mackus]

He should not have had the surgery in January unless you're speaking with full hindsight which is obviously ridiculous.

[dude]

BSL:  Bradish done, thoughts

 

I wish all the best to Kyle with his rehab, and I’m going to miss watching him pitch, but the beat goes on.
Nobody is going to feel sorry for the Orioles.
Pick yourself up, dust yourself off, and go do what is necessary to increase the odds for the ’24 O’s and beyond.

 

This is correct.  The only thing I'll say is I wouldn't announce it until I had something in my pocket.  

[NewMarketSean]

Least surprising development of the year. If only Elias saw this coming.

[dude]

I'm not beating them up for it.  You can't do everything.  Both Means and Bradish made it back and started.

 

It's a medical risk assessment.  The answers weren't clear for the current outcome.  Both players started.  Roster rules are what they are.

 

Whatever.  The GM isn't for Scouting or Player Development.  This is why you have a GM.  Get it done.

[NewMarketSean]

Smart organizations have contingency plans. Ours was hoping and praying Means and Bradish would be able to pitch 7/8 of a season. Reminds me of the Beattie years when they hoped everything breaks right so we can finish .500.

[BaltBird 24]

Going into the year with no back up plans for Bradish and Means, knowing their elbows were hanging on by a thread, was poor planning.

Lucky for us, Irvin and Saurez have been way better than expected. I wouldn't count on that going forward.

[mdrunning]

Injuries happen. I don't see how you can have a Plan B for every what if that occurs during a season. As someone else pointed out, both Bradish and Means pitched this year and overall they did very well. Bradish was hitting 97-98 mph Friday in his last start against the Phillies.

 

Did the Braves have a contingency plan in place when Strider and Acuna were both lost for the season? Shit happens. Hell, the Yankees had to send Jahmai Jones to the plate tonight in the 10th in a crucial situation. Even $300 million doesn't always make your team whole.

[makoman]

Injuries happen. I don't see how you can have a Plan B for every what if that occurs during a season. As someone else pointed out, both Bradish and Means pitched this year and overall they did very well. Bradish was hitting 97-98 mph Friday in his last start against the Phillies.

Did the Braves have a contingency plan in place when Strider and Acuna were both lost for the season? Shit happens. Hell, the Yankees had to send Jahmai Jones to the plate tonight in the 10th in a crucial situation. Even $300 million doesn't always make your team whole.

Yeah they DID have backup plans. Irvin and Suarez were backup plans, even Wells was kinda a backup plan. You can’t have 8 #2 starters. You hope that if you throw numbers at it some of the questionable guys will stay healthy, unfortunately none did.

I wonder if even Burnes was a backup plan. Maybe they don’t make that deal if Bradish has a healthy offseason.

[Mackus]

The backup plans that were reasonably priced that everybody wanted (myself included) have both been terrible.

[BaltBird 24]

https://x.com/d_alle..._t11Nv9oiQ&s=19

Back throwing. Obviously can't expect much if anything from 2025, but good to see him with a ball back in his hand.

[NewMarketSean]

See ya in 2026.

[BSLChrisStoner]

MASN: Bradish: "Arm feels really good"

https://www.masnspor...els-really-good

[Mackus]

Slight mistake in the article, Tyler Wells had UCL surgery but it wasn't Tommy John, it was the less dramatic internal brace which has shorter recovery time. Same surgery that Lucas Giolito had last ST for Boston and he's due back for OD this year.

Wells should be in the mix by the end of July.

The target for Bradish will just be by the end of the season. Bradish had his surgery in mid-June. Means had his first surgery in early May of '22 and return in September of '23 and that included some setbacks along the way. Bradish has a chance to contribute late this year if things go smoothly with his recovery. Probably not much margin for any setbacks unless they're very minor.

[NewMarketSean]

Get ready for 2026, Kyle.

[BaltBird 24]

Should've went ahead and had the surgery last February when it was first discovered. PRP and rehab was always a long-shot.

[makoman]

I'm always in favor of holding off on the surgery. Surgery doesn't 100% fix the problems, people can still come back not fixed, so it's not like it is a clear and easy fix, it may not work. And even though it is usually necessary anyway it isn't always, sometimes rest or PRP or whatever works well enough. Since surgery isn't always required, it doesn't always work, and sometimes no surgery works in rare cases I think people should always have the option of not going under the knife.

 

If you have a clearly and completely torn UCL you probably aren't trying the other options. I imagine the rest and PRP guys are a lesser partial tear where there is still a chance for a non-surgical positive outcome.