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[SportsGuy]

We will see. A lot of people having been crying of late about drafting more for need than BPA. Those people got their wish. To be clear it's not like they reached for a player. They just passed on taking a player in a higher tier and picked up draft picks before taking one of the players that fit a need 9 spots later. It would be interesting to know what they would have done at 16 if the trade wasnt available. WOuld they have reached for Hurst or Moore or would they have taken James.

I’m not one of those crying. I always wants BPA especially when it’s a guy that some thought was a top 5 player in the draft.

I said it on draft day that I wish they had taken James. Even if you want to trade down, I would have taken Moore or even Austin Wynns.

Hurst was never on the board for me at any of the picks but that’s not because I don’t think he can be a good player. I just wanted more upside.

[RShack]

. It would be interesting to know what they would have done at 16 if the trade wasnt available. WOuld they have reached for Hurst or Moore or would they have taken James. 

 

DeCosta said it would have been Derwin James.... 

 

https://www.baltimor...es-down-from-16

[JordanKough]

Question for the guys that watch way more film on tape than I do, where would Ridley and DJ Moore have ranked last year? 

Higher than Davis, Williams and Ross? 

 

I wonder where the Ravens grades ultimately came down comparing that bunch to this bunch. Curious to hear the thoughts of those that watched them in college and compare them apples to apples at the time. 

[Biggsy]

Question for the guys that watch way more film on tape than I do, where would Ridley and DJ Moore have ranked last year?

Higher than Davis, Williams and Ross?

I wonder where the Ravens grades ultimately came down comparing that bunch to this bunch. Curious to hear the thoughts of those that watched them in college and compare them apples to apples at the time.

I think Moore compares pretty close to Davis. Not as thick, but every bit as good after the catch.

[JordanKough]

So was this year's draft just so much deeper than last year when the premium on those receivers seemed to skyrocket at the last minute? 

[Mike in STL]

Question for the guys that watch way more film on tape than I do, where would Ridley and DJ Moore have ranked last year? 

Higher than Davis, Williams and Ross? 

 

I wonder where the Ravens grades ultimately came down comparing that bunch to this bunch. Curious to hear the thoughts of those that watched them in college and compare them apples to apples at the time. 

I like Ridley the most out of the five. He makes everything look super easy. 

 

Probably Ridley, Davis, Moore, Williams, Ross.

[bnickle]

Was said by numerous scouting punduts leading up to the draft that these WRs werent graded as high as any of those Top 10 picks. I think its safe to assume that was how teams felt considering the first one didnt go until 23.

[JordanKough]

Yeah I'm really surprised to hear folks be this high on these guys. I wonder if it's a bit of being under on these guys and over on the others. 

 

Obviously, none of those 3 stayed healthy last year but any of them could have taken a chance in front of them.

 

I guess I only ask because there is so much enthusiasm behind the sentiment that "you made a mistake not taking Moore".

[bnickle]

There is some revisionist history because Williams and Davis both had tough years. They were both legit Top 10 prospects. People around here love Moore understandably. I do think he was the best receiving prospect in this draft and could end up being very good but I have no problem with the way it all played out

[bnickle]

I will say that in an attempt to read between the lines from DeCosta and Oz post draft interviews that Moore probably was graded every so slightly higher than Ridley or Hurst. They moved back from 22-25 because they were assured of getting one of those 3 or Jackson. So if there is some criticism it might be that second trade and not taking the guy they had at the top of their list

[GabeFerguson]

Question for the guys that watch way more film on tape than I do, where would Ridley and DJ Moore have ranked last year? 

Higher than Davis, Williams and Ross? 

 

I wonder where the Ravens grades ultimately came down comparing that bunch to this bunch. Curious to hear the thoughts of those that watched them in college and compare them apples to apples at the time. 

Higher than Ross but not Williams or Davis.

[JordanKough]

Ok let me turn it around and ask it another way, too. 

 

Where would Moore have gone last year? Where would Williams (we'll take the middle prospect of the three) gone this year?

 

Also, I'm not one to measure guys by the first year's in the NFL. That being said, the fact that none of the three could get on the field really does show the volatility of the position. The Ravens may downgrade their own grades on WR because of that very volatility. And I don't necessarily have a problem with that.  

[GabeFerguson]

Ok let me turn it around and ask it another way, too. 

 

Where would Moore have gone last year? Where would Williams (we'll take the middle prospect of the three) gone this year?

 

Also, I'm not one to measure guys by the first year's in the NFL. That being said, the fact that none of the three could get on the field really does show the volatility of the position. The Ravens may downgrade their own grades on WR because of that very volatility. And I don't necessarily have a problem with that.  

It's kind of hard to say because so many variables at play...this year lots of QBs went high and there were a few other really high rated players. I doubt any WR goes top 10 in this draft. 

 

I think Ridley or Moore could have gone top 10 last year....it was a much weaker draft overall.

[bnickle]

Right, a lot of different variables. I think you just have to leave it at Williams and Davis were graded as a cut above any of the guys this year

[JordanKough]

Come on guys! This is a message board. Where are the hot takes! 

[SportsGuy]

Post draft salary restructure:

Source: the Ravens converted $5M of S Tony Jefferson’s $6M base salary into a signing bonus, creating $3.33M in cap space for 2018. Post-draft cap maneuvering.

[GabeFerguson]

eww

[bnickle]

Whatever. They were unlikely to release him after this year anyway. Now youre essentially locked in through '19

[Mackus]

The new(ish) carryover rules make reworking deals similar to interest-free loans.  Only potential downside is if you spend all the money up front without thinking about how you'll pay it back when the payments come due.

[You Play to Win the Game]

Provided Flacco isn't a Raven in 2019 - When will we feel his cap relief? 2020 earliest right? And I know sometimes with a lot of dead money, they will split it over two seasons, so possibly 20201?