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Posted 05 October 2016 - 01:58 PM
I disagree. The money has been spent and Ubaldo was solid in critical situations for us. Try to keep it going next year but if he falls apart next year, dump him and dump him quickly.
If there is a chance to trade UJ, Gallardo, or Miley during the off season, we should jump at it.
Ubaldo had a good last 6 weeks, but he is just as likely to stink as to help us.
Trade all 3 of them if possible and find better. The 30 million saved would be well spent on better pitchers.
HOF
Posted 05 October 2016 - 02:05 PM
Question for the masses:
If Britton gives up that homer, is this more palatable of a loss?
Because it absolutely would be for me.
Posted 05 October 2016 - 02:50 PM
Bringing UJ in at all in that situation was stupid, but the most unforgivable sin from last night is not bringing Britton in after UJ put runners on. For God's sake, you have the best closer in baseball who also happens to be a K and/or groundball specialist sitting on the bench, NOT EVEN WARMING UP!
When you are on the road, extra innings become sudden death, this happened to also be an elimination game, which added to the importance of not giving up anything in this situation. The O's mindset should've been to extend the game for as long as possible and hope that you can get a run somehow - in a situation in which the heart of the Jay's lineup is coming up, you're best option to simply extend the game is to put your best pitcher out there. Hopefully you get through the meat of the order and you buy 1 or 2 more innings to try to score.
Bottom line, use your best relievers first... extend the game as long as you can... then, if you still haven't scored after Britton, Hunter, and Bundy have pitched, UJ is your only option and he can take you the rest of the way. In this case you can at least say you used your best players to give your offense the best chance of stealing a win in extras.
Posted 05 October 2016 - 02:58 PM
Bringing UJ in at all in that situation was stupid, but the most unforgivable sin from last night is not bringing Britton in after UJ put runners on. For God's sake, you have the best closer in baseball who also happens to be a K and/or groundball specialist sitting on the bench, NOT EVEN WARMING UP!
When you are on the road, extra innings become sudden death, this happened to also be an elimination game, which added to the importance of not giving up anything in this situation. The O's mindset should've been to extend the game for as long as possible and hope that you can get a run somehow - in a situation in which the heart of the Jay's lineup is coming up, you're best option to simply extend the game is to put your best pitcher out there. Hopefully you get through the meat of the order and you buy 1 or 2 more innings to try to score.
Bottom line, use your best relievers first... extend the game as long as you can... then, if you still haven't scored after Britton, Hunter, and Bundy have pitched, UJ is your only option and he can take you the rest of the way. In this case you can at least say you used your best players to give your offense the best chance of stealing a win in extras.
BTW, I am not saying that the offense gets a pass here either. I hear "the offense needs to contribute too, so this isn't on Buck" argument, but this is irrational. They are both causes of the loss - but Buck's decision was completely in his control, whereas our shit hitters don't consciously decide to strike out.
I think it's time to have an honest conversation in the FO. Let's be honest, the O's are not going to be able to afford Manny so we need to trade him this offseason to get the best possible value back. Britton had a career year and will likely not see the same kind of success next year given the stikezone changes, if the O's are smart, they'll trade him for some prospects as well.
I want a rebuild around the BP (except Britton) and SP. Keep guys like Kim and maybe Schoop, but surround them with a good balance of OBP and power. Let's get serious about building a real contender and not a one-dimensional gimmic.
Banned
Posted 05 October 2016 - 03:02 PM
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Posted 05 October 2016 - 03:18 PM
Why would you trade Manny? The entire goal of building a roster is to have players like Manny.
HOF
Posted 05 October 2016 - 03:21 PM
You think Buck is getting criticized now? Imagine if he pulled Ubaldo after two hitters and then Hunter, Britton, and Bundy weren't enough to get through the game. The manager who ran out of pitchers in a sudden death game would basically be known as the stupidest person in the history of baseball for all time.
Banned
Posted 05 October 2016 - 03:25 PM
Why would you trade Manny? The entire goal of building a roster is to have players like Manny.
I do not think this organization can afford to give that guy 300-400 mil dollars.
HOF
Posted 05 October 2016 - 03:53 PM
I do not think this organization can afford to give that guy 300-400 mil dollars.
Yeah, but I think you have to take one more shot at the window still being open for 2017, and only think about trading him if that doesn't work out. So I'm with you - wait until next offseason.
HOF
Posted 05 October 2016 - 04:33 PM
Of course they can.I do not think this organization can afford to give that guy 300-400 mil dollars.
All Star
Posted 05 October 2016 - 04:42 PM
That plus Sisco might help quite a bit partway through the year. Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkNo more BS platoon for Kim next year. He needs 500 AB. His arm is a noodle but he's actually not terrible defensively. Make him a full time player. That is probably the only way this team can increase its OBP next year.
The Great Cornholio
Posted 05 October 2016 - 05:03 PM
You think Buck is getting criticized now? Imagine if he pulled Ubaldo after two hitters and then Hunter, Britton, and Bundy weren't enough to get through the game. The manager who ran out of pitchers in a sudden death game would basically be known as the stupidest person in the history of baseball for all time.
Lemme get two claps and a Ric Flair
Banned
Posted 05 October 2016 - 05:11 PM
The can do it but I don't think it would be wise
I do not think this organization can afford to give that guy 300-400 mil dollars.
HOF
Posted 05 October 2016 - 05:18 PM
The can do it but I don't think it would be wise
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Posted 05 October 2016 - 05:51 PM
We've had this discussion before. Ideally, in a vacuum, I'd sign him. It's a combination of a lot of things that make me prefer to trade him. Saying all that, I'm not going to be upset if we do sign him.
Chances are that he would require an opt out and we would never pay him that much.
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Posted 05 October 2016 - 06:02 PM
BSL is great at that. Some might not like the game threads but it's rare there is craziness going on in other threads. Give us that one outlet to vent. Don't need individual threads ton bash Ubaldo, Buck, Coolbaugh, the Tor crowd, etc etc
Kudos to everyone here for keeping the angst into this game thread. Was just browsing the Hangout and it is exactly the shit show you'd expect it to be with multiple threads about never spending a dime on the team, fire Buck, etc. It was a horrible decision by Buck. But ranting and raving all over a message board won't make it any better. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
HOF
Posted 05 October 2016 - 06:29 PM
We've had this discussion before. Ideally, in a vacuum, I'd sign him. It's a combination of a lot of things that make me prefer to trade him. Saying all that, I'm not going to be upset if we do sign him.
Posted 05 October 2016 - 06:32 PM
You think Buck is getting criticized now? Imagine if he pulled Ubaldo after two hitters and then Hunter, Britton, and Bundy weren't enough to get through the game. The manager who ran out of pitchers in a sudden death game would basically be known as the stupidest person in the history of baseball for all time.
There is an adage in golf that says you should never follow a bad shot with a worse one. In this case, Buck made a bad decision bringing in UJ, but he followed that bad decision with a worse one by leaving him in when he had other, better options for that situation available to him. If it were me, I take UJ out, hope for a DP with Britton, then try to get another inning or two from him. After that you put in Hunter, then if you still haven't scored, Bundy is your last guy. B/w those guys you could probably get another 6-8 innings. If your team doesn't score in that timeframe, you deserve to lose anyway.
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Posted 05 October 2016 - 06:47 PM
Do you think he will mature as a player? (Both mentally and experience wise?)
If your answer is no to this, I can actually see being hesitant on him.
Yes, he is still one of the best players in the league without that maturity but you do start wonder if that starts to hurt you more than you want as time goes on.
For the record, I think he will be fine but his attitude does bother me. That's the one of the great things about Trout. Not only is he great but he's also pretty grounded. He is everything you want your superstar, franchise player to be.
Im not sure. Im not overly concerned with with his maturity but it's one of the things that gives me some pause. ALong with the attitute Im a little nervous if he's driven to be great once he gets the huge deal. His injury history is a minor factor. As is the fact we are a mid market team that cant miss on giving a guy this much money for so long. He's certainly a franchise player talent wise, but Im still leery.
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