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[Pedro Cerrano]

The Shack home-made metric is one of the funniest subplots on BSL.

 

I can't believe the amount of discussion it has generated.

[RShack]

Yeah, the idea is to use only SP IP, not any RP IP.   When there's both, it's a moderate annoyance to separate them and calc ERA+ for the SP IP... so, truth be told, when I just glance to see something, I don't always do that... I take a rough shortcut instead... especially if a guy did just a couple IP in relief,..

 

As for adding a factor for how many GS, I understand the desire for that, as the result would lend itself to claims of being the one true SP-Goodness number.   But I never did it, and that was pretty much on purpose.  Adding that factor obscures what I want the score to do, which is to reflect how a SP does while he's doing the SP job.   To me, it's the SP analogue of OPS: it's a measure of "how effective at doing the job", not a measure of "how durable".   

 

If that 3rd factor is added, then the only thing it will do is provide a better gradient for SP's at the extremes.   For a guy who eats innings and doesn't give up many runs doing it, it's gonna make him look great... and for a guy who can't get anybody out in the very few GS he ever has, it's gonna make him look even more terrible.  But so what?  We already know who's great, and we already know who's terrible, that's not the hard part.   The hard part is how to rate the ones in between.  

 

For the great majority of SP's who are in between, the modified score would falsely make 2 very different profiles look the same.  A given SP who performs at a high level for fewer GS would score the same as another SP who shows up all the time but is mediocre. That's conflating, not illuminating.  I think the greatest information content is achieved by showing 2 data points:  the number of GS and the OTE+ score.  The two of them side by side tell you more than any combined version could tell you.  

 

About the only place the 3-factor version might be useful is if you wanna rate guys for who's the best of the best... or the worst of the worst... but that's more about funning than it is useful.   But if you're gonna do it, then (IP/GS/9) * (ERA+) * (GS/32.4) sounds right... (the two GS's cancel;  and using outs rather than IP prevents me from forgetting to have the spreadsheet translate partial IP from base 3 into base 10)

[BSLChrisStoner]

Baltimore Sun: Weekend finally brings opportunities for Orioles pitchers Mike Wright, Vance Worley
http://www.baltimore...0408-story.html

[BSLChrisStoner]

MASN: Vance Worley talks about his injury
http://www.masnsport...his-injury.html

[CA-ORIOLE]

Hope it's only 15 days but "groin injury" sounds problematic.

[ReggieYinger]

Worley Rehab in Frederick:

 

88-91 mph FB

84-85 mph CH

76 mph CB (1 or 2)

81-83 SL

[NewMarketSean]

What was his MPH before the injury?

[Mackus]

Season	Pitch	Pitches	AB	PA	H	1B	2B	3B	HR	BB	IBB	SO	HBP	SF	SH	GDP	AVG	minVel	maxVel	Vel

 

2016	FT	243	74	81	17	14	1	0	2	5	0	19	2	0	0	2	.230	84.5	92.5	88.6
2016	SL	125	38	40	12	10	1	0	1	1	0	6	0	1	0	1	.316	82.2	88.0	85.1
2016	FA	112	14	18	3	2	1	0	0	4	0	2	0	0	0	0	.214	84.1	93.0	88.8
2016	FC	67	21	24	8	6	2	0	0	3	0	3	0	0	0	0	.381	84.3	92.0	87.1
2016	KC	41	6	6	2	0	2	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	.333	71.0	77.6	73.6
2016	CH	22	6	6	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	2	0	0	0	0	.000	78.4	87.0	83.1

[BSLChrisStoner]

MASN: Showalter speaks after 5-3 win
http://www.masnsport...-5-3-win-7.html

 

The key for Worley was outstanding command. And not just one pitch.

“He had real good command,” Showalter said. “I asked Caleb after the sixth inning, I was contemplating about letting him go back out for the seventh. I go, ‘What have you got?’ And he goes, ‘He’s got command of everything still.’

“He had command of three pitches. He was down consistently. I thought the first inning, getting out of that, kind of set the tone. He’s a great guy to have pitch when it’s as hot and sticky as it is. He works fast, he throws strikes.

[CA-ORIOLE]

Pretty nice offseason addition so far for 2.8 mil.  

[You Play to Win the Game]

I think Caleb was a key yesterday. Really mixed up his pitches and set hitters up nicely. He's very good at his job behind the plate.

[Nigel Tufnel]

Non-tendered.

 

Brittany Ghiroli ‏@Britt_Ghiroli  3m3 minutes agoBaltimore, MD

Orioles announce Worley non tendered.

[bnickle]

Right decision

[SportsGuy]

If the back up plan is Verrett and the shit we have, the Orioles are morons for making this move.

[Mike B]

To me worley  was okay, but nothing worth getting mad at.  

The funny thing is the way DD holds on the his cherished rule 5 guys.

Can not wait until he brings our next rule 5 All Star in on Thursday.