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[glenn__davis]

Wouldn't that be a fielder's choice? And not result in an RBI?

 

That's what I'm leaning towards.  Just not certain.  It is definitely a FC.  Just not sure if an RBI is credited.

[Pedro Cerrano]

Grounds into a FC, gets the RBI.

 

The only time you don't get the RBI is if you GIDP.

[Pedro Cerrano]

Also,the runner on second would have to be the fastest man on Earth to score from second on a ground ball out to second base.

[bnickle]

I'm assuming it's just a FC and no RBI. Did they give the dude an RBI on the Pearce play the other night when Betts scored. Something similar

[bnickle]

On the other hand if a guy flys out and a runner tags up from 2nd and scores because a player runs into the fence or gets hurt after catching it, etc it is an RBI. So maybe it is an RBI. Let's say it's old rules and there is runners on 1st and 2nd and there is a force at 2nd but the runner going to 2nd took the SS/2B completely out on the play and the runner going to 3rd scored. I'm guessing it's an RBI.

[Pedro Cerrano]

If you make an out and a run scores you get an 0-1, RBI

[Pedro Cerrano]

The only time it's not an RBI is on a GIDP. But I also don't get how a runner on second can score on a FC to second base.

[bnickle]

So on that Pearce play the other night Ramirez was not given an RBI even though no error was charged. This is anot interesting question. I think it simply might be an official scorer option. Like if the official scorer thinks the fielder at 2b/SS should realistically be able to make a play on the runner that headed for home but no effort was made he just doesn't award an RBI.

[Pedro Cerrano]

What play was this? I was in Vegas for work and missed most of the Pearce debacle.

[Nigel Tufnel]

Looks like Pedroia got an RBI on this play (Mookie Betts comes in the back door):

 

 

http://www.baseball-...201506200.shtml

[bnickle]

I really think it's going to be an official scorer decision

[Pedro Cerrano]

I mean if the runner scores from second and there's no error I can't see how the batter wouldn't get the RBI. it's the same as grounding out with a runner on third philosophically

[bnickle]

What play was this? I was in Vegas for work and missed most of the Pearce debacle.

I'm on the phone. I'm sure someone can link the video. Betts was on 2nd. Ramirez got a hit to LF Pearce charged and Betts had initially held but Pearce lobbed it in to the inf and then Betts scored.

[bnickle]

I mean if the runner scores from second and there's no error I can't see how the batter wouldn't get the RBI. it's the same as grounding out with a runner on third philosophically

But hypothetically let's say the SS/2B sees him take off for home and just freezes. I won't say he intentionally doesn't throw home or is "throwing the game". Let's say he simply freezes even though there was ample time to make a play on the guy advancing towards home. It's really just going to be an auto RBI. I think often times in a situation like this the official scorer would rule it an RBI but I'm sure he has the option to not rule it an RBI

[RShack]

Not really a trivia question but I thought this was the best place to ask.

 

Scoring question - there are runners at 1st and 2nd.  Batter hits a ground ball.  Runner from 1st forced out at 2nd.  Runner at 2nd goes to 3rd and keeps running, safe on the play at home.  Does the batter get credited with an RBI?

 

I should clarify that I'm not asking this as a test.  I'm asking because I want to actually know the answer

 

If that runner scored from 1B on that, I'm guessing there's an E involved somewhere  

 

But I understand that's not the point.   If there are no E's, then it's a FC for which the batter does get a RBI.  

 

When the batter doesn't get one is on a DP... the batter used to get a ribbie for that too, but they changed it...

[Pedro Cerrano]

Yea I guess it mostly depends on how the runner scored but generally I think an RBI is credited

[RShack]

Grounds into a FC, gets the RBI.

 

The only time you don't get the RBI is if you GIDP.

 

This is right...

 

I really think it's going to be an official scorer decision

 

Baseball record keeping is based on an accounting mentality... everything has to be accounted for... so, if it's not a RBI, there has to be a reason for it more than just how the Official Scorer feels about it... the OS can't just be handing them out or withholding them... hitters don't get one on a GIDP anymore, but that took a rule change, and the GIDP is the reason he doesn't... you can't withhold RBI just because the OS doesn't like it...

[bnickle]

It's clearly going to be an official scorer decision though I agree the majority of the time he's going to award an RBI.

So, let's take my hypothetical above to the extreme. 2 outs. Bases loaded and routine ball is hit on the ground to the 2b and he fields it clean and just stands still ball in glove while the bases clear. The batter is getting how many RBI. 4??

[Pedro Cerrano]

It's clearly going to be an official scorer decision though I agree the majority of the time he's going to award an RBI.

So, let's take my hypothetical above to the extreme. 2 outs. Bases loaded and routine ball is hit on the ground to the 2b and he fields it clean and just stands still ball in glove while the bases clear. The batter is getting how many RBI. 4??

That's a fielding error.

[bnickle]

This is right...


Baseball record keeping is based on an accounting mentality... everything has to be accounted for... so, if it's not a RBI, there has to be a reason for it more than just how the Official Scorer feels about it... the OC can't just be handing them out or withholding them... hitters don't get one on a GIDP anymore, but that took a rule change, and the GIDP is the reason he doesn't... you can't withhold RBI just because the OC doesn't like it...

They didn't score anything on the Pearce play the other night. No error. No RBI