Rice franchised; Does he ever get long-term deal here?
#1
Posted 02 March 2012 - 02:54 PM
#2
Posted 02 March 2012 - 02:58 PM
As a sidenote it will be interesting to see if the Ravens take a RB relatively early in this draft. Drafting a RB in the 2nd or 3rd round would probably lead you to conclude some things about Rice's long-term future.
#3
Posted 02 March 2012 - 06:14 PM
#4
Posted 02 March 2012 - 06:18 PM
I think Rice wants to be here and the Ravens want him here "long- term". I think they'll get something worked out this offseason. Something where it is easy to cut or restructure after 3 years. If for some reason they don't get something done this offseason it substantially increases the likelyhood that no long term deal is ever reached.
As a sidenote it will be interesting to see if the Ravens take a RB relatively early in this draft. Drafting a RB in the 2nd or 3rd round would probably lead you to conclude some things about Rice's long-term future.
Good post here. It is clear that Rice wants to be here. I'm sure the Ravens would be very comfortable providing a 3 yr deal (or at-least with the ability to restructure at that time). Totally agree that if it does not happen this off-season, that the likelyhood that it never happens increases.
Also have to agree about the draft. If you draft a back that high, it is not about long-term competition for Allen or Berry as the backup.
#5
Posted 02 March 2012 - 06:22 PM
#6
Posted 02 March 2012 - 06:34 PM
Here is the other thing regarding Rice. If he is franchised this year and goes out and puts up another 1500 yards rushing , 15 TDs, 500 receiving yards what do you do next year??? Franchise him again??? Isn't there some new rule regarding franchising a player two years in a row?? Would the price to franchise not go up significantly?? I'm not sure exactly what the deal is there but I know you just can't afford to keep franchising the guy. At the same time how can you let a 1500, 500, 15 TD guy who is your best offensive weapon just walk. The point I'm trying to make is while signing a RB to a longterm deal is risky it's something you pretty much have to do if you have a top 5 RB. You can make the point that there are a lot of competent Rbs in the league but my question is when was the last time a top 10 RB in his prime was allowed to walk?? AP locked up, Chris Johnson locked up, Stephen Jackson locked up, Jones -Drew locked up, GOre locked up. I mean if it was as easy to replace really good Rbs as some make it seem these teams would be letting more guys walk. I seriously want someone to tell me the last time they remember a consensus top 5, heck lets even say top 10 RB was allowed to walk in free agency. At some point you have to swallow hard and try to get a fai deal done that doesn't lock you in for too many seasons.
You are correct about the 2nd year of being franchised being more expensive. If Franchised, the player must be offered a one-year contract for an amount no less than the average of the top five salaries at the player's position as of a date in April of the current year in which the tag will apply, or 120 percent of the player's previous year's salary, whichever is greater.
Bob Haynie and Rob Long had a guest on from CBS Sports today who suggested that Rice should get a contract closer to D'Angelo Williams as opposed to AP.
#7
Posted 02 March 2012 - 08:37 PM
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#8
Posted 02 March 2012 - 11:10 PM
I also think that Ray Rice will get the franchise tag next season as well and then we'll see what the Ravens do from there.
As Phil mentioned, RB's are replaceable, how close to a replacement can you find for a Ray Rice though? I don't know, but it can be done... as much as I love having Rice in the backfield for us.
#9
Posted 03 March 2012 - 01:38 PM
Great player, great back, very important to the team...All of that is true...will it be true in 3 years?
#10
Posted 03 March 2012 - 02:09 PM
I am against a long term deal unless it is a very team friendly contract.
Great player, great back, very important to the team...All of that is true...will it be true in 3 years?
When was the last time a long term contract to a RB was beneficial to a team? Probably Frank Gore's contract and just because he got far less than he should have because of injury concerns. Just look at the 2 contracts last year (CJ & AP) - at this point, both teams have to be very worried about the $$ tied up at the RB position.
#11
Posted 03 March 2012 - 07:16 PM
#12
Posted 05 March 2012 - 10:06 AM
M Lynch got 18M guaranteed and a 4/31 deal...that is the type of deal I would have wanted to give Rice, if I even extended him.
Obviously, he would want and get more than that since he is better than Lynch.
#13
Posted 05 March 2012 - 11:26 AM
Jason La Canfora
@Arian Foster joins AP and CJ atop RB $$ ranks. $43.5M over 5 years, $20.75M guar, $30m in 1st 3 years of deal, $18M in 2012. #insideslant
Sounds relatively team friendly.
#14
Posted 05 March 2012 - 11:30 AM
Jason La Canfora
@Arian Foster joins AP and CJ atop RB $$ ranks. $43.5M over 5 years, $20.75M guar, $30m in 1st 3 years of deal, $18M in 2012. #insideslant
Sounds relatively team friendly.
You offer Rice the same exact deal that Foster got...if he declines, you tell him no more contract discussions, draft a RB this year, franchise him again next year, and then show him the door...
#15
Posted 05 March 2012 - 12:42 PM
Saying this, Ray Rice has a skill set that is not rivaled by many types in the league. If they feel that he still has a good 4/5 season in him at a high level, they should try and broker a long term contract. He may fetch a higher total dollar than Foster, but the 30 million in the first three years should be a nice starting point.
If he goes for broke trying to reach Johnson or Petersen money, I just do not see a sound organization meeting those needs on a slim budget that has to address other crucial positions in the short and long term.
If there is one thing the Ravens do better than most teams, they can clearly evaluate their players upon entering free agency.
If they stick with the tag, it might be wise to have another draft pick battle Allen and/or Berry for the backup role. In today's NFL the running back is just not a long term commodity and if they go in another direction, it is just the nature of the beast in the salary cap era.
#16
Posted 06 March 2012 - 08:33 AM
If it's in the $9.25M range, (up from this year's $7.7M) then that would mean we would have to pay Rice ~$11.25M in 2013 if we franchise him twice in a row. I don't think a 2/$19M deal for Rice is that bad of an option for the team, especially given that the second year wouldn't have to be guaranteed. Of course all of that deal would count against the cap, but if it goes up next year like expected, maybe that's less of a concern.
Unless Rice signs for right about what Foster got, I don't see a long-term deal that is a better option for the team than franchising him two consecutive years. I'd rather give the long-term deals to Flacco and Webb and maybe even Grubbs if we can fit him in. It sucks because Ray is such a good guy and so fun to root for, but I think he's gonna get the short end of the stick in terms of long-term guaranteed money. On the other hand, if he stays healthy and effective, he'll probably make more this way than he would with a long-term deal.
#17
Posted 06 March 2012 - 08:52 AM
1. The average of the top five salaries of last season at his position.
2. 120 percent of the player’s previous year’s salary, which is what happens most times that a player is tagged.
If the tag remains and they planned to tag him next season, he would have a tag set to $9.24M or the average of the top five salaries, whichever is greater.
#19
Posted 18 May 2012 - 11:26 AM
#20
Posted 18 May 2012 - 12:44 PM
Yep...and I am not sure I would say Rice is better than McCoy either.Have to believe that sets the floor for a deal that Rice and his agent will be looking to get...
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