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#1 BSLChrisStoner

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Posted 29 February 2012 - 06:09 PM

MASN / Melewski: http://www.masnsport...e-pitchers.html

Really interested by Schrader and Klein. If they are healthy by the end of the year, I could see both being with the O's in September.

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Posted 29 February 2012 - 06:49 PM

If Klein was healthy all last year, he would already be on the 40-man roster and maybe even be ineligible for prospect lists due to too many innings. Really felt bad for Klein last year because he could've had seventh and/or eighth inning duties in Baltimore last September and broken camp with the club this year. A pitcher with the experience and arsenal he has will fly through a minor league system in a bullpen role given good health. He has a history of injury trouble dating back to his UCLA days, which will likely limit him to a bullpen role for his entire career. Just too much of a workload as a starter.

I might've seen Schrader pitch in 2010 with Aberdeen but I don't remember. Classic power fastball/slider combo which allowed him to put up crazy good numbers last year but the walks remained high all year.
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Posted 29 February 2012 - 09:19 PM

Big fan of Schrader, and Klein as well. Both should be key to a solid cheap bullpen.

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Posted 29 February 2012 - 10:09 PM

Simply because you have three pitches in your pocket, it does not mean you should tempt fate and push Dan Klein into a starters role with the Orioles organization.

I think the arm injury was just a matter of work and time; he only had a few bullets in the arm before it was eventually going to need an oil change. The problem was simply a ride over from UCLA and even they knew it was in his best to go into the relief role, plus they really did not need him in that rotation.

The Orioles should leave him in the pen and he looks more set up than closer, but I also value the 7th and 8th inning arms over anything you throw out in the 9th inning.

Schrader is all about command. When he is hitting his spots, he has a snap on that slider that bites beyond belief. You combine that with his ability to mix the 2S and 4S and it is an impressive power arsenal. If he can command the fastball and get more first pitch strikes, he can easily help sooner rather than later.
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Posted 29 February 2012 - 10:15 PM

From our October Q&A with Jim Callis, Baseball America:

Baltimore Sports and Life: “2010 10th round pick Clayton Schrader threw a combined 46 ip this year between Low A Delmarva, and High A Frederick before being shut down at the end of July. In those 46 ip, has allowed 19 hits, 2 hr’s, 32 walks, with 73 k’s. Pretty clearly the hits and k’s per ip point to his stuff, and the walks indicate control is his biggest issue. If healthy, is this a guy that can start ’12 at Bowie, with the potential for a quick promotion to Baltimore?”

Callis: “Schrader definitely can move fast as a hard-throwing reliever. He has effort in his delivery, which leads to control issues, but he has the power fastball/slider combo to work the late innings. He just needs to throw more strikes, and stay healthy after elbow issues shut him down in late July.”

Baltimore Sports and Life: “2010 3rd round pick Daniel Klein was out of action after June 1st with a SLAP tear. Prior to the injury, he had advanced to AA Bowie. In his 32.1 innings at Frederick and Bowie, he allowed 23 hits, 2 homers, 6 bb’s, with 37 k’s. When drafted, the Orioles talked of converting Klein to a starter. While a starter is always more valuable than a reliever, a Major League contributor is more valuable than a Minor League project. As a relief pitcher he can race through the system and quickly be an option to help out the O’s. The most recent expectations have him returning to a mound between late May and early June. When he is physically ready to return to pitching; should the O’s continue to keep him in relief, or move him to the rotation as originally planned?”

Callis: “Unless the Orioles don’t think he can hold up as a starter, I think you keep him there and see if he can make it because of the greater value you mention. He has the stuff to start, with three solid or better pitches in his fastball, changeup and curveball. The only reason he didn’t start at UCLA was that the Bruins staff was loaded. Their rotation was two top-five picks (Gerrit Cole, Trevor Bauer) and a second-rounder (Rob Rasmussen).”

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Posted 29 February 2012 - 10:31 PM

HA! I did not even know you talked with him about these two players. I guess it the hinesight, we feel the same way about both.

And I do think it is more than strikes...it is dam near impossible to live as a bullpen pitcher without that one pitch that you can effective get over for a strike to both left handed and right handed batters. I care less that it is a 4S, 2S, SL, CH, hammer, etc... If you can continually get that first pitch strike, life is gravy for a pitcher at any level.

I wrote this late year for Jordan at ON on Clayton and Klien:

http://orioles-natio...ayton-schrader/

There’s a lot of effort in his delivery, which puts some extra pressure on his back, neck, and arm. Power stuff, which is often unhittable, should push him through the system quickly and he could help in Baltimore’s bullpen as soon as 2012.


http://orioles-natio...yers/dan-klein/

Deep four pitch arsenal; includes 92-94 mph fastball, hard biting slider, an average 76-79 mph curveball and a developing mid 80′s changeup. Shoulder problems have always been a problem and may limit him to the bullpen, but Baltimore plans to move him into a rotation once he builds up enough innings. If he becomes a starter, profiles as solid #3/#4 starter, but could also become set-up man if he stays in the bullpen.


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Posted 29 February 2012 - 10:51 PM

I was against trying to wedge Klein into the rotation in the first place, the injury history bothered me at UCLA and if it's not broke, don't fix it kind of applied to me. He was good in relief, and would have been good in RP in the majors last season. I think if he comes back from this injury he could be a valuable multi-inning RP, a guy that could give you innings 5-7 and keep you in a game, but I don't think he's got a knock out pitch that he'd need in the high leverage set up or closer roles.

Erbe has been a personal fav of mine for years, I've seen him more than most and that last injury was heartbreaking. Such a good kid and deserves a good break. Has dynamite stuff, but generally there's at least one of his big pitches not working any given night, when all 3 are on, you see him throw 1-hitters with ease, when 1/3 or 2/3 are on you see him walk 5, strike out 10 and give up 2R. In a RP role, he's got the stuff to be a good set up man, and if he ramps up a couple MPH from the shorter outings I could see him as a closer, he's got the mentality for it, he's a fighter.
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Posted 01 March 2012 - 09:45 AM

Cameron Coffey admitted to us that he was just not where he wanted to be last season. He did not have the strength and there was almost no response. He was finally pain free this winter and a full off-season program should help take that much needed step forward. The kid has a solid frame and the slot allows for some impressive movement, it just lacks the pop. Add a healthy 10-20 pound on his thin frame and he should be able to see a tick or two and sit in the 90-92 mph range, instead of 86-88.

Ryan Berry has a very nice arsenal of pitches, but he had the "TCU bug". Once healthy, he can be a nice setup type who can live off his 2S alone, add the tight hammer and change up and he is a guy that could realistically help in the second half of this season, 2013 definitely.
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Posted 13 March 2012 - 07:51 AM

I don't know much about Schrader,Beal and Berry cept what I have read. But, I have seen Erbe and Klein. Can't wait to see what Erbe and Klein can bring this year.
I wish them all well for the coming season.

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Posted 13 March 2012 - 01:30 PM

I unabashedly love Dan Klein.

A future bullpen featuring Klein, Ryan Berry and Cam Coffey could be nasty. Too bad they are the three most injury-prone guys we have.
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Posted 06 April 2012 - 07:41 PM

Schrader is at Frederick.

Klein is still experiencing discomfort.
MASN's Melewski reported 4/2 (http://www.masnsport...specialist.html) that, "Klein will see shoulder specialist Dr. Craig Morgan on April 13. Klein had shoulder surgery last Aug. 16 and had still been experiencing some discomfort at camp at Twin Lakes Park.

Klein was able to do some light throwing during camp, but when he extended the distance and velocity he began to feel the discomfort, according to a club official."


Beal is at Delmarva.

Ryan Berry is at Frederick.

Erbe is on Norfolk's disabled list.

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Posted 07 April 2012 - 11:48 AM

Schrader 4/6: 1.2ip, 0 er, 0 hits, 2 bb's, 4 k's

If there are no questions of his health, Schrader should be pushed to Bowie as soon as he gets into a groove at Frederick.

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Posted 13 April 2012 - 04:54 PM

MASN / Melewski: Klein will have shoulder procedure Monday
http://www.masnsport...-on-monday.html

Disappointing news here. Klein looked really good before his injury last year. If healthy, he would have had a great chance to have advanced to Baltimore by the end of last season. I had hoped he would have been back pitching by June this year, with a chance to get to the bigs by September.

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Posted 13 April 2012 - 09:08 PM

Schrader 4/13: 2.1 ip, 0 hits, 0 er, 2 bb's, 4 k's

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Posted 18 April 2012 - 07:55 AM

Schrader 4/17: 2 ip, 2 hits, 1 er, 1 bb, 2 k's

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Posted 21 April 2012 - 08:20 AM

4/20 Schrader: 2 ip, 0 hits, 0 er, 2bb's, 2 k's

I think I'd like to see him promoted to Bowie.

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Posted 27 April 2012 - 02:17 PM

4/26 Schrader: 2.2 ip, 0 hits, 0 er, 2 bb's, 3 k's

Season: 12.2 ip, 2 hits, 1 er, 10 bb's, 18 k's

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Posted 27 April 2012 - 05:13 PM

Why Schrader is not moved up is beyond me.
He could clearly be at the next level, and is it honestly outrageous for me to think that a September callup is not out of the question?

I probably am reaching with that thought, but he has the ability.

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Posted 27 April 2012 - 05:19 PM

Why Schrader is not moved up is beyond me.
He could clearly be at the next level, and is it honestly outrageous for me to think that a September callup is not out of the question?

I probably am reaching with that thought, but he has the ability.


I don't think you are reaching. I anticipated him quickly getting to Bowie, and being an option for a call-up during the Summer at some point. His control appears to be a bit of an issue, but as he is healthy and performing, certainly is time to get past Frederick.

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Posted 27 April 2012 - 05:26 PM

Why Schrader is not moved up is beyond me.
He could clearly be at the next level, and is it honestly outrageous for me to think that a September callup is not out of the question?

I probably am reaching with that thought, but he has the ability.


I don't think you are reaching. I anticipated him quickly getting to Bowie, and being an option for a call-up during the Summer at some point. His control appears to be a bit of an issue, but as he is healthy and performing, certainly is time to get past Frederick.


Yea I honestly feel like the Orioles have moved towards a slower approach with their pitchers. They seem to be keeping them down as long as possible. Which is frustrating as a fan, but it does allow them to fully develop and learn before reaching the top line. The big question is how much is enough at each level?
I would like to think Schrader is ready for the next level.




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