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[You Play to Win the Game]

I'm sick of hearing about it. Jesus Christ, it's college fucking football. Let this kid be a kid before he gets paid millions. 

 

I hate the media.

[Mike in STL]

Someone has to take up the Tim Tebow time slot on SC since that has almost run its course.

[Oriole85]

Someone has to take up the Tim Tebow time slot on SC since that has almost run its course.

I'm thinking Aaron Hernandez has made covering the Tebow saga in the upcoming Patriots TC a lot less desirable and just trivial.

[You Play to Win the Game]

Listened to Vinny & Rob Long on The Fan yesterday and the whole segment was this conversation about whether or not Manziel was the next Ryan Leaf.

 

This whole thing is such a joke. For every Ryan Leaf story, there are many other's where an elite talent goes through his young 20's bumps and comes out a man. Let him have that chance, then crucify him if he doesn't turn things around. And if he doesn't, it's his life... maybe he just didn't want to be who everyone else wanted him to be. Society is just ridiculous with their expectations of athletes in general, but especially collegiate athletes.

[Oriole85]

Listened to Vinny & Rob Long on The Fan yesterday and the whole segment was this conversation about whether or not Manziel was the next Ryan Leaf.

 

This whole thing is such a joke. For every Ryan Leaf story, there are many other's where an elite talent goes through his young 20's bumps and comes out a man. Let him have that chance, then crucify him if he doesn't turn things around. And if he doesn't, it's his life... maybe he just didn't want to be who everyone else wanted him to be. Society is just ridiculous with their expectations of athletes in general, but especially collegiate athletes.

It is cause for concern but like you've said before and I agree, if you have talent as long as you aren't doing felony-type behavior multiple times, you'll find yourself on an NFL roster. For every Ryan Leaf (who didn't have any major concerns out of college), there's someone like Randy Moss, who has major concerns and has a long-productive career. There's only so much talent to go around. And GM's want to keep their jobs. It's the same thing with colleges coaches recruiting.

[Oriole85]

On SVP(he's not there today) & Russillo, the hosts are admitting the only reason the Manziel/McCarron "controversy" is only so big because it's the Baseball All-Star break. There's just not a whole lot going on.

 

I think the Heisman Trophy winner has a bullseye on their back, it comes with the distinction. As they've said if Manziel had done the same things a typical 19-20 year old college student does it wouldn't be a big a deal, but he's not a typical college student so you can't really use that point.

[SammyBirdland]

[Mike in STL]

"Next time Johnny Manziel acts, he should first think, what would Tim Tebow do?" - ESPN

Sigh

[Oriole85]

ESPN: Johnny Manziel ushered out of party

 

http://espn.go.com/c...rty-report-says

 

This is just too funny. 

 

According to other reports, Manziel stayed in Austin on Saturday and attended a daytime fraternity party, where he was spotted wearing a Tim Tebow New York Jets jersey.

 

Atleast he's kept to his word of "not changing."

[BSLMikeLowe]

Can we please just start the season already? I don't even care if it would mean pointless preseason games like the NFL. Anything would be better than this circus.

[Oriole85]

Can we please just start the season already? I don't even care if it would mean pointless preseason games like the NFL. Anything would be better than this circus.

He kind of reminds me of Michael Phelps, he needs structure.

[Jeff_Kryglik]

Is the Johnny Manziel situation overblown? Here are my thoughts...http://www.thesports...-his-lifestyle/

[bnickle]

http://espn.go.com/e...ting-autographs

 

 

 

This kid has flameout written all over him. I mean there are questions how he would transition to the NFL anyway but he's only killing himself with this other stuff.

[You Play to Win the Game]

http://espn.go.com/e...ting-autographs

 

 

 

This kid has flameout written all over him. I mean there are questions how he would transition to the NFL anyway but he's only killing himself with this other stuff.

 

It's just so ludicrous to me that these kids can't sell their own autograph's just because they're in college. Seems overly punitive, for no good reason, yet the NCAA continues to rake in billions off the talent of these kids. It borders on slave labor (not race driven at all in this context). They get their free education, but we all know that's not why they're there by and large. It's such a joke.

[You Play to Win the Game]

Is the Johnny Manziel situation overblown? Here are my thoughts...http://www.thesports...-his-lifestyle/

 

Well said, Jeff. Way to be a voice of reason on this topic. This kid really owes no one anything. He's not getting paid. He can and should do what he wants. If he wants to be a pro QB and a SB champion, he'll have to make some changes, but let him learn along the way and grow up accordingly. All the Ryan Leaf II stuff is just ridiculous. 

[bnickle]

It's just so ludicrous to me that these kids can't sell their own autograph's just because they're in college. Seems overly punitive, for no good reason, yet the NCAA continues to rake in billions off the talent of these kids. It borders on slave labor (not race driven at all in this context). They get their free education, but we all know that's not why they're there by and large. It's such a joke.

We all know that what the NCAA does isn't right. However,  Manziel knows he cant do this stuff. I mean its one thing to find a way to make a few bucks here or there but its pretty bold and stupid to sit in a room and sign hundreds of pieces of memorabilia and allegedly get paid tens of thousands of dollars. This is far more serious compared to the stuff over the last few weeks.  

[BSLMikeLowe]

It's just so ludicrous to me that these kids can't sell their own autograph's just because they're in college. Seems overly punitive, for no good reason, yet the NCAA continues to rake in billions off the talent of these kids. It borders on slave labor (not race driven at all in this context). They get their free education, but we all know that's not why they're there by and large. It's such a joke.

We all know that what the NCAA does isn't right. However, Manziel knows he cant do this stuff. I mean its one thing to find a way to make a few bucks here or there but its pretty bold and stupid to sit in a room and sign hundreds of pieces of memorabilia and allegedly get paid tens of thousands of dollars. This is far more serious compared to the stuff over the last few weeks.

Agreed. As utterly absurd and arcane as NCAA rules are, he should have known better. He's not going to change that all by himself.

[Oriole85]

http://espn.go.com/e...ting-autographs

 

 

 

This kid has flameout written all over him. I mean there are questions how he would transition to the NFL anyway but he's only killing himself with this other stuff.

Yeah I'm starting to evolve here that he might be a real distraction. I thought he just needs to be on the football field and he'll be fine, now I'm not so sure.

[Oriole85]

Agreed. As utterly absurd and arcane as NCAA rules are, he should have known better. He's not going to change that all by himself.

Sort of my feelings -- I know some people are quasi-defending him because of the NCAA rules. He's a season away (potentially) from cashing in, comes from an upper class background, even if you deem the NCAA rules bad, he should just suck it up for the time being. This is just another issue for him now, possibly big one.

[BSLMikeLowe]

Agreed. As utterly absurd and arcane as NCAA rules are, he should have known better. He's not going to change that all by himself.

Sort of my feelings -- I know some people are quasi-defending him because of the NCAA rules. He's a season away (potentially) from cashing in, comes from an upper class background, even if you deem the NCAA rules bad, he should just suck it up for the time being. This is just another issue for him now, possibly big one.

You have to know when to make a statement, and when to toe the line. Whomever is advising Manziel either made the wrong choice or didn't get through to him at a critical moment.