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[1970]

I believe it wasn't that long ago the NFL didn't allow you to push your own teammate / ball carrier. You could hit and push a guy trying to tackle him, but you couldn't basically get behind and push your own guy forward while he was carrying the ball.

Would be fine seeing a return of that...

 

They sure didn’t - and that wasn’t all that long ago, even though the example I’m going to give happened almost 60 years ago.  Remember the famous play that ended the Ice Bowl where Bart Starr scored on a QB sneak?  There’s a great picture that shows Starr scoring and RB Chuck Mercein with his arms in the air, apparently signaling a TD.  The original play call was for Starr to hand the ball off to Mercein, who per the plan, would score the game winning TD.  When they lined up, Starr noticed a gap between the C and RG and decided to keep it himself on a sneak - he’s the only one who knew what he was going to do.  Mercein ran hard to the line expecting to get the ball.  When he saw Starr keep it and was about to score, he threw his arms up in the air to show the refs that he wasn’t giving Starr a push.

 

I’ve said a few times that I hate the tush push and am hoping the NFL does the right thing, and makes it illegal.  There seems to finally be a “push” (pun intended) in the NFL to make it illegal - helped along by all the penalties on the Commanders in the NFCCG.  

[Ravens2006]

"I get it, because [Josh] is a great quarterback. He hadn't won one. Lamar had two. And they're like, 'Let's just give him one.' But that's the wrong reason," Jonathan Ogden told TMZ Sports. "But it's all good. What are you going to do? But they made the wrong choice. But that's all good.

"I don't want it to sound like I'm hating on Josh because the brother is a tremendous quarterback. But he didn't have the year Lamar had."

Jackson's numbers do trump Allen's mostly across the board, but there is something to be said about Allen's Bills running away with their division despite letting go of top receiver Stefon Diggs.

https://www.foxnews....or-wrong-reason

Folks keep acting like Stefon Diggs is prime Jerry Rice...

[mdrunning]

The award is Most Valuable Player, not Player With the Best Stats.

[TwentyThirtyFive]

Im over it but Ive noted before how much better Lamar makes everyone around him. He's by far the most valuable player in the league. Take a look at the RBs stats who play with him and how they immediately get a boost. See how his escapability and off script plays lead to less sacks and the ability for his receivers downfield to uncover. Its more than just stats. Thats te correct answer. It absolutely is more than just stats which is the reason Lamar is that much better than everyone else. Not the other way around. 

[85Knight]

The award is Most Valuable Player, not Player With the Best Stats.

The award is the most valuable in the league. Not most valuable to a team.

[mdrunning]

The award is the most valuable in the league. Not most valuable to a team.

Of course, but based on what said player did for his team. 

[cprenegade]

The award is the most valuable in the league. Not most valuable to a team.

 

But if that is the case how do you not give the award to Saquon Barkely?   Was there any more valuable guy then him?  Philadelphia is not in the SB without him.  He could have broken the all time rushing record if they had let him play in the last game of the season.  

 

It's a speculation award.   I also think it is total BS that payoffs aren't included.  What?  That's when MVPs shine.  If you have a great season and fade in the playoffs, how are you an MVP?  Jared Goff had a great season and totally screwed up the only playoff game Detroit was in.  Sam Darnold was great in the regular season until the end and then continued screwing up in the playoffs.  Lamar had multiple turnovers for the first time all season in the playoff game against Buffalo.  Don't talk to me about what you did during the season, if you choke in the playoffs you aren't an MVP.   But for some reason all sports leagues end the MVP consideration at the end of their regular season.  Make no sense to me.  

 

I know my take won't be popular.  And people will say the Ravens would have won the game if not for Andrews fumble and drop.  They might also have won the game if Lamar doesn't lay the ball on the ground.  He gave away 3 points and gave Buffalo 7.  That's a 10 point swing in a 2 point game.  

 

To me the MVP might be Mahomes.  Yeah, I know statistically he had bad season, but he won games when it counted.  And he got his team to a SB for the 3rd year in a row, 5th out of 6 years.  If I am the owner of a football team or their fans, that's all I care about.

[Mackus]

Was there any more valuable guy then him?

Yes, like 10 or 15 quarterbacks

[Mackus]

And he got his team to a SB for the 3rd year in a row, 5th out of 6 years. If I am the owner of a football team or their fans, that's all I care about.

It's a regular season award. Voting is completed before the playoffs begin so nobody lets themselves be poisoned by postseason performance.

[85Knight]

But if that is the case how do you not give the award to Saquon Barkely? Was there any more valuable guy then him? Philadelphia is not in the SB without him. He could have broken the all time rushing record if they had let him play in the last game of the season.

It's a speculation award. I also think it is total BS that payoffs aren't included. What? That's when MVPs shine. If you have a great season and fade in the playoffs, how are you an MVP? Jared Goff had a great season and totally screwed up the only playoff game Detroit was in. Sam Darnold was great in the regular season until the end and then continued screwing up in the playoffs. Lamar had multiple turnovers for the first time all season in the playoff game against Buffalo. Don't talk to me about what you did during the season, if you choke in the playoffs you aren't an MVP. But for some reason all sports leagues end the MVP consideration at the end of their regular season. Make no sense to me.

I know my take won't be popular. And people will say the Ravens would have won the game if not for Andrews fumble and drop. They might also have won the game if Lamar doesn't lay the ball on the ground. He gave away 3 points and gave Buffalo 7. That's a 10 point swing in a 2 point game.

To me the MVP might be Mahomes. Yeah, I know statistically he had bad season, but he won games when it counted. And he got his team to a SB for the 3rd year in a row, 5th out of 6 years. If I am the owner of a football team or their fans, that's all I care about.

I don't think Buffalo scored on Lamar's fumble if I remember correctly. It's pretty unexplainable how many things go wrong for the Ravens in the playoffs every year. It's a team wide problem. The MVP is a popularity contest but this year was blasphemy.

[Mackus]

I don't think Buffalo scored on Lamar's fumble if I remember correctly.

They did.

They didn't score after the pick.

[jamesdean]

I don't know how many of you are watching the Super Bowl but man, its so sweet watching that little punk Mahomes getting his ass pounded into the turf and the Chiefs taking a beating. Poor Taylor. Hopefully, the 2nd half is just as one-sided.

[BSLChrisStoner]

I don't know how many of you are watching the Super Bowl but man, its so sweet watching that little punk Mahomes getting his ass pounded into the turf and the Chiefs taking a beating. Poor Taylor. Hopefully, the 2nd half is just as one-sided.

https://forum.baltim...-feb-9th-630pm/

[makoman]

But if that is the case how do you not give the award to Saquon Barkely?   Was there any more valuable guy then him?  Philadelphia is not in the SB without him.  He could have broken the all time rushing record if they had let him play in the last game of the season.  

 

It's a speculation award.   I also think it is total BS that payoffs aren't included.  What?  That's when MVPs shine.  If you have a great season and fade in the playoffs, how are you an MVP?  Jared Goff had a great season and totally screwed up the only playoff game Detroit was in.  Sam Darnold was great in the regular season until the end and then continued screwing up in the playoffs.  Lamar had multiple turnovers for the first time all season in the playoff game against Buffalo.  Don't talk to me about what you did during the season, if you choke in the playoffs you aren't an MVP.   But for some reason all sports leagues end the MVP consideration at the end of their regular season.  Make no sense to me.  

 

I know my take won't be popular.  And people will say the Ravens would have won the game if not for Andrews fumble and drop.  They might also have won the game if Lamar doesn't lay the ball on the ground.  He gave away 3 points and gave Buffalo 7.  That's a 10 point swing in a 2 point game.  

 

To me the MVP might be Mahomes.  Yeah, I know statistically he had bad season, but he won games when it counted.  And he got his team to a SB for the 3rd year in a row, 5th out of 6 years.  If I am the owner of a football team or their fans, that's all I care about.

Good thing Mahomes didn’t win MVP. 

[Ravens2006]

Good thing Mahomes didn’t win MVP.

Surprised he wasn't voted Superbowl MVP anyway...

[TwentyThirtyFive]

I think we got another Lamar hater on the board

[cprenegade]

I think we got another Lamar hater on the board

 

If you are referring to me and that's what you think, then go ahead.  I don't give a damn.  I know that here if you even question Lamar you get labeled a hater or even worse.  I have said he is the most dynamic player in the league.  That has not translated into winning when it counts.  It's not like he has been playing on a flawed team.  Twice a number one seed and twice his play at least helped them lose.  You have to at least get to the big game.  

 

I think it is very fair to criticize a player who has his worst games at the biggest moments.  Obviously others don't.  He can change that with one clean playoff run.  I have no doubt he can do it.  But he has to do it before I can call him one of the greatest QBs of all time.   

[CantonJester]

If you are referring to me and that's what you think, then go ahead.  I don't give a damn.  I know that here if you even question Lamar you get labeled a hater or even worse.  I have said he is the most dynamic player in the league.  That has not translated into winning when it counts.  It's not like he has been playing on a flawed team.  Twice a number one seed and twice his play at least helped them lose.  You have to at least get to the big game.  

 

I think it is very fair to criticize a player who has his worst games at the biggest moments.  Obviously others don't.  He can change that with one clean playoff run.  I have no doubt he can do it.  But he has to do it before I can call him one of the greatest QBs of all time.   

 

 

LOL until Lamar wins a ring he's not even in the top twenty QBs of all time. 

[mdrunning]

LOL until Lamar wins a ring he's not even in the top twenty QBs of all time. 

Dan Marino never won a ring and he's easily a top 20 quarterback of all time. 

[BaltBird 24]

Lamar wasn't the statistically best player in 2023 and won it because his team was the dominant #1 seed.

Lamar was statistically the dominant player in 2024 but didn't win because his team wasn't the juggernaut it was the year before.

He probably should've won this year, but probably shouldn't have won last year. It all evens out.