474 replies to this topic

[85Knight]

If they don't cut him, the backlash will be enormous.

I don't think so if this dies down.

[cprenegade]

I think the NFL will do it's own investigation on Tucker.  If that results in suspension because of violation of the personal code of conduct I think the Ravens will be forced to look long an hard at releasing him.  If they don't they lose any bit of credibility about being an ethical organization with a culture that holds it's players to higher standards.  

[TwentyThirtyFive]

Lamar got 12 1st place OPOY votes. They are giving the MVP to Allen

[TwentyThirtyFive]

Not even in the same league as Lamar. Objectively got it wrong. It was all a set up. 

[TwentyThirtyFive]

Greatest QB season ever and doesnt even win MVP. Joke. I dont blame Lamar for not showing up. 

[TwentyThirtyFive]

No I dont want to hear Allen was deserving. Lamar was better. Period. Hes head and shoulders the most valuable player in the league. You give it to the right guy.

[DuffMan]

Suggs and Yanda will have to wait at least another year before they get into the HOF.

[1970]

No I dont want to hear Allen was deserving. Lamar was better. Period. Hes head and shoulders the most valuable player in the league. You give it to the right guy.

 

Jim Miller actually voted Lamar 4th in the MVP vote, he should lose his vote.  Doesn’t surprise me as he and his SXM partner (Pat Kirwin, who voted Lamar second) have never liked Lamar.  Miller also played for the Steelers twice.

[Nigel Tufnel]

John Fleming‬ ‪@johnjf125.bsky.social‬·

Buffalo Bills MVPs have now averaged less than one murder each

[TwentyThirtyFive]

John Fleming‬ ‪@johnjf125.bsky.social‬·


Buffalo Bills MVPs have now averaged less than one murder each

Not even gonna lie. My first thought was, "Thurman Thomas murdered someone"??

[85Knight]

Greatest QB season ever and doesnt even win MVP. Joke. I dont blame Lamar for not showing up.

This was such an anomaly in the voting process that a lot of voters want to remain anonymous. Part of me is OK with this because it can only make the entire team hungrier next year. Individual awards seem empty when you have a disappointing finish.

[Nigel Tufnel]

Not even gonna lie. My first thought was, "Thurman Thomas murdered someone"??

 

Yeah, I was originally only giving OJ credit for one murder, before realizing I was shortchanging him.

[bmore_ken]

Jim Miller actually voted Lamar 4th in the MVP vote, he should lose his vote.  Doesn’t surprise me as he and his SXM partner (Pat Kirwin, who voted Lamar second) have never liked Lamar.  Miller also played for the Steelers twice.

The only reason I'm not mad about this is, I personally don't think Lamar deserved it last year. 

[cprenegade]

A few people who voted Lamar All Pro and Allen MVP said they did so because they felt Lamar had the better stats and deserved All Pro, but Allen meant more to his team in an overall football context.  It was also a pervasive feeling that Allen did more with less after losing his biggest weapon in the passing game, and Lamar had the fortune of gaining the second highest producing RB this year.  

 

I can see this as I said it in a game thread during the playoffs.  I wonder if the Ravens don't get Henry and Lamar still had the same season if they would have given it to him?  I also disagree with the premise that Allen lost his biggest weapon.  Allen was fortunate to lose one of the biggest cancer divas in the game.  It was addition by subtraction.  Without having to worry that the little crybaby b*tch was getting his targets, Allen was able to spread the ball around and cut his interceptions way down.  If the crybaby had shown any interest in playing the divisional game against KC last year, KC would not be going for a three-peat and one of either Allen or Lamar would have played SF in the SB last year. 

 

Overall I guess it doesn't matter as now both Lamar and Josh both own an MVP award, but Mahomes is the only AFC QB that has the hardware that counts.  Burrow at least has an AFC championship and SB appearance to go by.  I guess the media race is now between Lamar and Josh Allen to see which one can dethrone Mahomes and get the ring.  If Cincinnati's front office gets their head out of their arse and keeps their Offense intact while repairing their defense, Burrow could be the dark horse who crashes the party.  Other than that, maybe Harbuagh in LA or Payton in Denver can make a run.  But it does seem like Mahomes, Allen and Lamar are the primary QB's locked in the fight at least for next year.   

[Ravens2006]

Lamar, Allen, Mahomes, and Burrow are the 4 best QBs in the game. All slightly unique compared to each other but tremendous talents regardless.

[hallas]

A few people who voted Lamar All Pro and Allen MVP said they did so because they felt Lamar had the better stats and deserved All Pro, but Allen meant more to his team in an overall football context. It was also a pervasive feeling that Allen did more with less after losing his biggest weapon in the passing game, and Lamar had the fortune of gaining the second highest producing RB this year.

I can see this as I said it in a game thread during the playoffs. I wonder if the Ravens don't get Henry and Lamar still had the same season if they would have given it to him? I also disagree with the premise that Allen lost his biggest weapon. Allen was fortunate to lose one of the biggest cancer divas in the game. It was addition by subtraction. Without having to worry that the little crybaby b*tch was getting his targets, Allen was able to spread the ball around and cut his interceptions way down. If the crybaby had shown any interest in playing the divisional game against KC last year, KC would not be going for a three-peat and one of either Allen or Lamar would have played SF in the SB last year.

Overall I guess it doesn't matter as now both Lamar and Josh both own an MVP award, but Mahomes is the only AFC QB that has the hardware that counts. Burrow at least has an AFC championship and SB appearance to go by. I guess the media race is now between Lamar and Josh Allen to see which one can dethrone Mahomes and get the ring. If Cincinnati's front office gets their head out of their arse and keeps their Offense intact while repairing their defense, Burrow could be the dark horse who crashes the party. Other than that, maybe Harbuagh in LA or Payton in Denver can make a run. But it does seem like Mahomes, Allen and Lamar are the primary QB's locked in the fight at least for next year.

I feel like Lamar did more with more but somehow putting up better numbers than everyone with talented players around you is a negative.

Also did people forget that Amari Cooper played for the bills? Did people assume he lost all the talent he had because he couldn't put up good numbers?

[Ravens2006]

For most voters who went Allen, I think they are making excuses rather than telling the truth... Lamar has 2 MVPs already, Allen had zero, they both had fantastic, other-level seasons... plus all season the heavy media storyline was basically "it's Allen's turn".

That's what tipped the scales... the "It's Allen's turn to win" sentiment. Most won't admit that and might not truly even realize how much factor it played in their vote. But it was enough to make the difference. THAT is proven to me by Lamar getting All Pro over Allen... Basically Lamar was the best player at the most important position and thus hard to argue against being more valuable... but the narrative the last 2 months wasn't "who's going to make All Pro?" it was "who's going to win MVP?" Is it Allen's year? The louder talking head trend was Allen, and has been for the last couple of months.

[Biggsy]

A lot of Allen voters are using the same justification as Dan Orlovsky. They are all saying Lamar was the best QB in football this year, that's why they voted him 1st team all-pro. But Allen had more value to his team, which is why they voted Allen MVP.

It's a BS semantics argument. You're going to tell me you think Lamar was the best player at the QB position, but he doesnt hold as much value to his team as Josh Allen?

Also think a lot of people are trashing and extremely good supporting cast that Allen had to justify their argument. Allen had a top 3 offensive line. A top 10 RB room. And for as bad as everyone says his recievers are, Cooper, Shakir, Kincaid and Knox are all extremely good skill position players. I would definitely argue that Cooper and Skakir are as good, if not better than Bateman.

And on top of it all, Allen played the 7th easiest schedule in football, and only managed 1 more win than Lamar, who played one of the hardest schedules.

It's all BS. It's 100% people who were wrong about Lamar when he came out, still trying to justify their dumb-dumb takes back then. Jim Miller has always been a Lamar hater, even to this season on his horrible podcast. And Orlovsky works FOR the Buffalo Bills media. How do people like this get votes for an award?

In the end I really don't care. Lamar probably shouldn't have won it last season over Dak. And I could care less about regular season awards at this point. Lamar has proven what he is. One of the best football players in the world. The fact that Lamar didn't go to the probowl, attend the honors, and has been relatively silent since the loss, is a positive for me. Seeing how he has been in the past, he takes losses like the Bills loss personal, and he always comes back stronger. If I'm opposing teams, I'm a little worried, because that man is going to come out next season on a mission. After the loss to KC last season, he put up a historic season. Now he lost again in heartbreaking fashion, and got robbed of MVP (really dont think he cares). I feel really good about next season. I think Lamar takes another step. Hell, maybe Monken calls the tush push to Jackson every time they're inside the 2 so Lamar can brag about having 20 rushing TD's from a BS no-skill gimmick play too. Would love to see the haters all of a sudden turn on the tush push Allen used to prop up his 2024 season. Guarantee if Lamar puts up 60+ total TD's, that play will all of a sudden get discredited.

[Ravens2006]

I believe it wasn't that long ago the NFL didn't allow you to push your own teammate / ball carrier. You could hit and push a guy trying to tackle him, but you couldn't basically get behind and push your own guy forward while he was carrying the ball.

Would be fine seeing a return of that...

[Ravens2006]

And hell if value to the team was ALWAYS the determining factor... Lamar should have won it in 2021 when they were tied for best record in the AFC with 5 weeks to go. Lamar leaves the CLE game early injured and doesn't play again. They lose that one and 4 more in a row. Finished under .500 and missed the playoffs altogether...

Doesn't get much more "valuable" than that.