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[Nigel Tufnel]

Also, there are five teams in the AL East.

 

I think he's talking about the other 4 teams reacting to the Yankees losing Soto.

 

Here's Rosenthal:

 

The Orioles are not among the teams at the forefront of the Garrett Crochet sweepstakes, according to sources briefed on those discussions. They are less than eager to give up a draft pick for the remaining free-agent starters who received qualifying offers from other clubs – Max Fried, Sean Manaea and Nick Pivetta. And they seem likely to get outbid for their own free-agent starter, Corbin Burnes.

 

So, which starter will it be? Nathan Eovaldi is one possibility. Jack Flaherty might be another. A trade could be a third avenue for improvement. The Orioles remain in strong position in the AL East, particularly with the New York Yankees losing Juan Soto. But the team’s competitive window will remain open for only so long.

 

The Orioles’ best player, All-Star shortstop Gunnar Henderson, is under club control for four more seasons. While an extension for catcher Adley Rutschman might be possible, Henderson is represented by Scott Boras, who generally prefers his clients – like Soto – to establish their values in free agency. Henderson would hit the open market entering his age 28 season.

 

What we’re hearing about trade interest in Devin Williams and more from MLB’s winter meetings - The Athletic

[jamesdean]

I think they should just forget about Burnes.  He's not coming back here and never was.  He was playing for the money last summer.  I'd like to see the Orioles go after both Eovaldi and Flaherty.  What they would have spent on Burnes or another TOR pitcher, they could get both of them.  I know Flaherty's first round here was rough but the guy pitched great last year and I'd be willing to try him out again. 

[BSLMikeLowe]

I know you can never have enough starters, but signing two mid-level free agents feels like overkill to me. I’d add one and then come late July you either have Bradish join the mix and if he doesn’t you go add another via trade. I’m ok with Eflin, Rodriguez, FA, Kremer plus the crew of Suarez, Povich, McDermott, Rogers, and maybe Wells if he’s back holding down the fort for 3-4 months.

[JeremyStrain]

I know you can never have enough starters, but signing two mid-level free agents feels like overkill to me. I’d add one and then come late July you either have Bradish join the mix and if he doesn’t you go add another via trade. I’m ok with Eflin, Rodriguez, FA, Kremer plus the crew of Suarez, Povich, McDermott, Rogers, and maybe Wells if he’s back holding down the fort for 3-4 months.

I would say if they don't overprepare last year is going to repeat itself. You got Bradish and Wells just recovering from TJ and who knows how they will do or when exactly they will be back to full strength. Plus you have GR who just narrowly missed going down last year, and with the velo he throws, could go down again anytime.

 

I'd consider signing someone (wish it were Burnes) and then trading with FL for one of their recovering aces as well. I know it gives us yet another recovering pitcher, but as long as the give isn't that high the reward on those guys is through the roof. They have been desperate for middle INF help.

[BaltBird 24]

You can't go into 2025 expecting anything from Bradish or Wells. Rodriguez has yet to put together a full season.

Definitely need 2 more quality SP additions to pair with Eflin, Rodriguez, and Kremer with Saurez, Rogers, Povich, McDermott in reserve.

[Mackus]

I know you can never have enough starters, but signing two mid-level free agents feels like overkill to me. I’d add one and then come late July you either have Bradish join the mix and if he doesn’t you go add another via trade. I’m ok with Eflin, Rodriguez, FA, Kremer plus the crew of Suarez, Povich, McDermott, Rogers, and maybe Wells if he’s back holding down the fort for 3-4 months.

 

Bad plan, IMO.  Especially so if your FA isn't an ace-level guy.

[BaltBird 24]

https://x.com/jonmor...t6O14BxOQA&s=19

According to Morosi, the cost for FA SP is high and relatively few clubs are willing to pay them. Teams could make SP who most would think unavailable, available to the trade market.

[TwentyThirtyFive]

https://x.com/jonmor...t6O14BxOQA&s=19

According to Morosi, the cost for FA SP is high and relatively few clubs are willing to pay them. Teams could make SP who most would think unavailable, available to the trade market.

Trade cost will be high too. Os need to bite the bullet and pay up for one of these second tier guys

[You Play to Win the Game]

Boras is a POS. I guess we're headed towards another season where some of the best FA SP's aren't even on a roster to start the year. How is that good for baseball? Or for their careers? You'll never convince me the off-season Montgomery had wasn't contributory to his awful 2024 campaign.

[TwentyThirtyFive]

Boras is a POS. I guess we're headed towards another season where some of the best FA SP's aren't even on a roster to start the year. How is that good for baseball? Or for their careers. You'll never convince me the off-season Montgomery wasn't contributory to his awful 2024 campaign.

Youd think the pitchers would learn. We will get someone solid. Im not even worried tbh

[BaltBird 24]

O'Niell and Sanchez signings are official.

[BSLChrisStoner]

Boras is a POS. I guess we're headed towards another season where some of the best FA SP's aren't even on a roster to start the year. How is that good for baseball? Or for their careers? You'll never convince me the off-season Montgomery had wasn't contributory to his awful 2024 campaign.

 

I do agree.... but that's ultimately on his clients.  

[BaltBird 24]

I do agree.... but that's ultimately on his clients.

Right? If you don't like how your agent is working, fire your agent and hire another. I believe Montgomery eventually did that after he signed, however.

Agent and player share blame. These guys know how Boras operates.

[You Play to Win the Game]

I mean they're baseball players ultimately. They hired him to take care of this for him, and knowing his track record of success. I'm sure he overwhelms them with positive review of his status when they agree to hire him. And they likely agree to a structure/ethos around how this is all handled.

 

When my main focus in banking centered around small business lending, the most successful doctors/dentists/lawyers, etc., relied on a competent office manager to handle the logistics of the day to day business, so they could be good doctors/dentists/lawyers. Of course, they'd fire them if they acted in a way that wasn't aligned with their best interests. But I think these players don't know any better, and they trust him.

 

At the end of the day though, yes, it's their decision. They need to understand that.

[BSLMikeLowe]

Fried reportedly to the Yankees (8yr/$218M). One less AL East suitor for Burnes.

[jamesdean]

Fried reportedly to the Yankees (8yr/$218M). One less AL East suitor for Burnes.

I would have never offered Fried more than 3 years.  With his injury history, the Yankees will live to regret that signing.  Stupid. 

[BSLMikeLowe]

I would have never offered Fried more than 3 years.  With his injury history, the Yankees will live to regret that signing.  Stupid. 

 

It's also less money they have to retool the lineup after losing Soto. As of now they have absolutely no one to be feared outside of Judge, and if he misses any significant time like he did in '23, the Yankees are cooked....or in this instance, fried.

 

[BaltBird 24]

I'd rather have Eovaldi on a 2-3 year deal than than Fried with what he got.

[Mackus]

Woah, monster deal for Fried. First time I've thought that Burnes might be so expensive that I wouldn't want to go there.

Wonder if any deferrals, could see that as something inflating to look bigger than it really is.

[TwentyThirtyFive]

Jays traded for Andres Gimenez