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[jamesdean]

I'm not buying into the injuries to Westburg and Mateo as being that impactful.  Certainly, I'd rather have Westburg stationing third base instead of Urias but the team was bobbling along at .500 with him playing every day.  Mateo gives them a better defensive profile but he's a lousy hitter and always has been.  The Orioles are doing just enough to lose, not win.  And I'm also tired of hearing about their great offense.  So, a couple of times a week they score 5-10 runs and then tank the other 4 or 5 games.  Average it out and it comes to about 5 runs a game.  Not much solace after they've lost half their games.  This all or nothing approach to hitting is great for isolated moments but detrimental long term.  Especially with all the pitching deficiencies they're throwing out there.  Tout the offense all you want but it's obviously not good enough to overcome .500 baseball. 

[TwentyThirtyFive]

I told anyone who would listen that Hyde would not lead well once we hit real adversity. The worst case scenario is they give him a pass for this season because of all the injuries. This team is totally lifeless right now. He looks totally lifeless right now. Following his lead.

[TwentyThirtyFive]

Poor Mack was cracking last night. I feel your pain man.

I know the team is still talented enough but obviously something will have to give. They are playing bad baseball right now and have been for awhile.

[ivanbalt]

I told anyone who would listen that Hyde would not lead well once we hit real adversity. The worst case scenario is they give him a pass for this season because of all the injuries. This team is totally lifeless right now. He looks totally lifeless right now. Following his lead.

Yes, if only there was a different manager.  Suddenly the bats would light up, bullpen could hold leads and the non-injured starting pitchers wouldn't struggle.

[TwentyThirtyFive]

Yes, if only there was a different manager. Suddenly the bats would light up, bullpen could hold leads and the non-injured starting pitchers wouldn't struggle.

Why are any managers ever fired and held responsible then?? Just run the same guy out there for 20 yrs straight regardless.

[BSLSteveBirrer]

In every business in the world when an organization is underperformed management is held accountable. No business fires a bunch of employees. The first step is to change management and see if a new approach can turn performance around.

And really what do they have to lose? If they made some changes would they play even worse? Sure I suppose ots possible. But seems like very low risk to me versus the chance they could turn it around. This whole hope we can flounder our way into the playoffs and then get hot seems like fools gold. Yes we hope to get some key pieces back but is that enough to bank on?

[Slidemaster]

Was it Harbaugh's fault a few years ago when virtually every offensive weapon was injured, and the Ravens were so decimated in the secondary that they were signing defensive backs off the street?

[ivanbalt]

Why are any managers ever fired and held responsible then?? Just run the same guy out there for 20 yrs straight regardless.

Depends.  Hyde is far from 20 years and prior to 2022 he was basically working with a AAA+ roster.  I'd given him at least 2025.

 

If you want to blame Hyde, does Elias get a pass?  Outside of the Burnes trade, offseason was pretty underwhelming.  He signed Kimbrel to be the closer.  Outside of Eflin, the trade deadline was also underwhelming.  Rogers was already demoted and the bullpen additions have struggled.

[TwentyThirtyFive]

You know maybe Hyde was overusing the pen early. Something brought up early but hey we were winning a bunch of games so nobody wants to go through the minutia with me. We are winning. IM just being a Hyde hater nit picking the small things.

Before the deadline Big Ben was talking about improving the leadership in the clubhouse. He cant come out and be overly critical and go in the paint too hard but he made it known on the broadcast a few times that he felt the leadership in the clubouse could improve.

Maybe you know instead of sitting back and waiting for the 3 run HR you get aggressive and try to make some things happen. I get that you dont want to give away outs and that when things are clicking sitting back and waiting for the big blow is often best. Last year we were always pressuring the opposing D with our baserunning. Its like Aaron Hicks misses one hit and run and now Hyde is afraid to put another one on.

[BSLSteveBirrer]

Depends. Hyde is far from 20 years and prior to 2022 he was basically working with a AAA+ roster. I'd given him at least 2025.

If you want to blame Hyde, does Elias get a pass? Outside of the Burnes trade, offseason was pretty underwhelming. He signed Kimbrel to be the closer. Outside of Eflin, the trade deadline was also underwhelming. Rogers was already demoted and the bullpen additions have struggled.

Some of us said last year that Hyde was not the guy to take this team over the top. But they were a year ahead of schedule so most were fine seeing him in 2024.So this year we are going to give him a pass due to all the injuries and see how things go in 2025. I am having a hard time seeing how this team can be better in 2025? Burnes is not going to be here. The offense will be nearly identical with a likely swap of Mayo for Mounty. Bradish, Means, and Wells probably don't contribute. Bautista will be back but who knows what that turns out to be. So really it's looking like 2026 is liftoff.

And heck no Elias doesn't get a pass. I am more upset at him than Hyde.

[Mackus]

Don't think Hyde is responsible for the recent bad play (beyond some bad in-game decisions which don't add up to much), but I do think that sometimes a managerial change can jumpstart a team. I've not been one that thinks we should be making a change, but I'm desperate enough to be open to it now.

[BSLSteveBirrer]

Don't think Hyde is responsible for the recent bad play (beyond some bad in-game decisions which don't add up to much), but I do think that sometimes a managerial change can jumpstart a team. I've not been one that thinks we should be making a change, but I'm desperate enough to be open to it now.

At this point I'll go back to my earlier question. What do they have to lose in making a change?

[TwentyThirtyFive]

Don't think Hyde is responsible for the recent bad play (beyond some bad in-game decisions which don't add up to much), but I do think that sometimes a managerial change can jumpstart a team. I've not been one that thinks we should be making a change, but I'm desperate enough to be open to it now.

When I was saying in late June that the best deadline move we could make was flipping managers I wasnt being overly hyperbolic. Because of the state of our pitching staff additions there were more important. I can say that without the injuries and numerous holes I wouldve stood by the comment. If Means, Wells, Bradish,Coulombe were healthy you're damn right I meant it.


I think if this really falls apart we will hear just how much he lost the clubhouse. It goes beyond just his tactics.

[makoman]

At this point I'll go back to my earlier question. What do they have to lose in making a change?

If you think this is mostly an injury related tailspin and he's in actuality a good manager, you could hurt 2025 and beyond if you make an unnecessary change and don't make the right choice.

 

I don't believe that, but it's an argument.

[TwentyThirtyFive]

I mean people can think what they want about barking or standing up for your team. Some think its meaningless. I dont but whatever its subjective. What is clear is that older guys like Burnes and OHearn have started barking in the past week. Showing passion. I wish they were also producing on the field, that would help most, but at least I see the passion and the fight. Why do I so rarely see passion and fight from the skipper.

[TwentyThirtyFive]

I try not to hammer the Hyde thing every day though I know its still often. Im just really passionate and firm in my belief that he wont get the most out of this core of players. They wont reach their potential. At this point in the season I dont think firing him is realistic but damn Id love to see us go a new direction in '25. I genuinely feel like we have peaked under him and I said as much back in May. If we start '25 with him I see him getting canned before next season is over. The window to maximize is now. Adley is arb elig next year. Gunnar has 4 years left. Stop playing around with a poor manager.

[RichardZ]

I mean people can think what they want about barking or standing up for your team. Some think its meaningless. I dont but whatever its subjective. What is clear is that older guys like Burnes and OHearn have started barking in the past week. Showing passion. I wish they were also producing on the field, that would help most, but at least I see the passion and the fight. Why do I so rarely see passion and fight from the skipper.

So what you’re saying is that publicly professing passion doesn’t mean a thing. Thanks.

[RichardZ]

I try not to hammer the Hyde thing every day though I know its still often. Im just really passionate and firm in my belief that he wont get the most out of this core of players. They wont reach their potential. At this point in the season I dont think firing him is realistic but damn Id love to see us go a new direction in '25. I genuinely feel like we have peaked under him and I said as much back in May. If we start '25 with him I see him getting canned before next season is over. The window to maximize is now. Adley is arb elig next year. Gunnar has 4 years left. Stop playing around with a poor manager.

Has Santander not peaked under Hyde? O’Hearn?

Almost every single young player has improved, if not peaked, under his leadership. Please point to all of the underachievers under his leadership.

[TwentyThirtyFive]

Lol. Brandon, stop posting on BSL and focus on avoiding the biggest collapse in franchise history

[RichardZ]

Lol. Brandon, stop posting on BSL and focus on avoiding the biggest collapse in franchise history

Ah. You couldn’t answer the question and went for the dumb joke instead. Bravo.