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[Slidemaster]

Already on IL with a UCL sprain. That almost always leads to TJ.

Ugh.

[Mike in STL]

Inevitable. At what point is Tommy John just required as preventative maintenance? Like get drafted, have the surgery, see you in two years. 

[dude]

Obviously wait for the outcomes here, but certainly not good.

 

Every Championship season will, at some point, be about the next man up.

 

Sometimes that man might be Elias.

[Mackus]

https://www.mlb.com/...dish-ucl-sprain

He's gonna start throwing on Friday. He had a UCL sprain and PRP on January. He's not out for the year.
 

[TwentyThirtyFive]

Lolz

[TwentyThirtyFive]

Un freaking real.

[makoman]

Inevitable. At what point is Tommy John just required as preventative maintenance? Like get drafted, have the surgery, see you in two years.

The problem with that is it’s not close enough to a 100% success rate, and I believe outcomes are a lot worse the more times you need it. At least they used to be.

[TwentyThirtyFive]

Dont fool the freak around. You end up losing him for a portion of '25 thats a disaster.

[Mackus]

This is the type of thing that made getting someone like Burnes so important. Hopefully he doesn't miss much time, but it's a an absorbable loss even if he does. Certainly stings if it becomes more than an early season injury.

[TwentyThirtyFive]

Guy was so good. Was gonna continue to be good. How the F are we just figuring this out. Hes been throwing some in the winter. Had to feel some discomfort. This all shouldve been handled before ST

[makoman]

Guy was so good. Was gonna continue to be good. How the F are we just figuring this out. Hes been throwing some in the winter. Had to feel some discomfort. Thos all shouldve been handled before ST

It was. Last month apparently.

[TwentyThirtyFive]

What a huge kick in the balls.

[TwentyThirtyFive]

You have to go sign Montgomery. You need Bradish level production or close to it. You also need Wells at the back of the pen. If we are filling in internally you put Irvin in the spot. Wells is needed in the pen

[Mackus]

Guy was so good. Was gonna continue to be good. How the F are we just figuring this out. Hes been throwing some in the winter. Had to feel some discomfort. This all shouldve been handled before ST

 

It was.  Come on read the article and don't just trust idiotic thread titles.  He is not out for the year (yet).  He's not going to be ready for Opening Day, but he's planning to begin throwing this week.

 

https://www.mlb.com/...dish-ucl-sprain

[TwentyThirtyFive]

I get slide is doing slide things. I just feel like it really could be one of these things where early its just a sprain and as time goes on he doesnt respond well to treatment and we get the really bad news. That is fairly common with UCL injuries early in the process.

[BSLMikeLowe]

Anytime I see UCL and a pitcher’s name in the same sentence, it’s always been bad news, or so it seems. How often does something like this occur and a little rest and rehab get it worked out?

[Mackus]

I get slide is doing slide things. I just feel like it really could be one of these things where early its just a sprain and as time goes on he doesnt respond well to treatment and we get the really bad news. That is fairly common with UCL injuries early in the process.

 

Yes, Tommy John is a common outcome for partial tears.  It could go down like that.  He also could be fine with rest and rehab.  The reason that is often times that is the course of action is because it can work and because the surgery is a major surgery with far less than 100% recovery rates. Learn to ignore the uninformed people who say that surgery is inevitable and that they should just do it now without trying other options.  Those opinions are stupid and not medically sound.  Sure, if surgery ends up being needed it would've been nice to get it done a month or two sooner, but the first part of that cannot be assumed when its less than a full tear.

[Mackus]

Anytime I see UCL and a pitcher’s name in the same sentence, it’s always been bad news, or so it seems. How often does something like this occur and a little rest and rehab get it worked out?

 

Anthony DeScalfani in 2017, has never had surgery: https://www.mlb.com/...gery-c219458552

Jacob DeGrom in 2021 (eventually needed surgery in 2023): https://www.northjer...son/5748894001/

Max Fried in 2023 (forearm strain, returned healthy): https://www.sporting...fcvoafessreddun

Zach Britton in 2017 (forearm strain, no surgery until 2022): https://www.cbssport...nd-examination/'

Mason Miller in 2023 (UCL sprain, returned to BP at end of year) https://www.mlb.com/...elbow-diagnosis

Nathan Eovaldi in 2023 (forearm strain, missed about 8 week) https://www.cbssport...scherzer-trade/

Clayton Kershaw in 2021 (PRP to treat forearm injury, returned to begin 2022, eventual shoulder surgery after 2023) https://theathletic....ter-arm-injury/

Stephen Strasburg in 2016 (PRP in Sept, returned healthy to begin 2017) https://www.washingt...n-availability/

Aaron Nola in 2016 (PRP in Aug, returned healthy to begin 2017, has never had surgery): https://www.nbcsport...d-flexor-tendon

Masahiro Tanaka in 2014 (PRP, missed ~10 weeks, never had surgery): https://www.espn.com...tially-torn-ucl

 

I'll add more as I find them.  It's a tricky search, because often times its just diagnosed as "forearm tightness" or similar.  If they stick with "sprain" as the terminology, then there is hope.  Hell if he's throwing, there is hope.  If they say "partial tear" its bleak.  A sprain is technically a partial tear, so still some ambiguity.  A full tear would be obviously done.

[TwentyThirtyFive]

Tanaka is like the only guy I remember having issues and never needing surgery. At least of the name guys. Fried was just last year so we will see how he goes over time.

[BSLMikeLowe]

Anthony DeScalfani in 2017, has never had surgery: https://www.mlb.com/...gery-c219458552

Jacob DeGrom in 2021 (eventually needed surgery in 2023): https://www.northjer...son/5748894001/

Max Fried in 2023 (forearm strain, returned healthy): https://www.sporting...fcvoafessreddun

Zach Britton in 2017 (forearm strain, no surgery until 2022): https://www.cbssport...nd-examination/

 

I'll add more as I find them.  It's a tricky search, because often times its just diagnosed as "forearm tightness" or similar.  If they stick with "sprain" as the terminology, then there is hope.  Hell if he's throwing, there is hope.  If they say "partial tear" its bleak.  A sprain is technically a partial tear, so still some ambiguity.  A full tear would be obviously done.

I guess if he’s throwing that’s a potentially good sign. Of course Felix was “throwing” in September too.