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[Hooded Viper]

Keep in mind that what you are giving up for Morse could easily be more valuable than a first rounder as well. (I don't make that trade either, just don't consider him that much of an upgrade, and his defense is AWFUL, so he's basically a full time DH)

I agree completely, I wouldn't give too much for the guy. I just think he would be a solid DH type for the team and his splits aren't too bad. I agree with both your's and Mackus point that the trade has to be economical, from a value standpoint, but I don't see too much else out there.

Then again, I never saw the Hammel trade coming...

[Mackus]

Then again, I never saw the Hammel trade coming...

Something along these lines could be a possibility.

Is there someone out there that Duquette and his scouts have identified as a buy low veteran with mediocre numbers who they think could greatly improve? I think that's more likely with a pitcher, but maybe we can trade for someone that everyone here will be very meh about at best, but ends up being a really strong move.

That's sort of a ridiculous thing to hope for, but at the very least I think Duquette has earned a bit of leeway in terms of judging the moves he does end up making. He was right far more often than he was wrong last year. Maybe it was just a lucky instead of good thing, but whatever he decides this year I'll at least consider that before bashing him as a moron!

[JeremyStrain]

I think we might be focusing on the wrong position. Don't be surprised to see Davis here, and see them take a crack at bringing in a LF still. Keep your eyes on Andre Ethier.

[SportsGuy]

I think we might be focusing on the wrong position. Don't be surprised to see Davis here, and see them take a crack at bringing in a LF still. Keep your eyes on Andre Ethier.

Well, that would be pretty freaking awful.

[BSLChrisStoner]

I think we might be focusing on the wrong position. Don't be surprised to see Davis here, and see them take a crack at bringing in a LF still. Keep your eyes on Andre Ethier.

I doubt Ethier is an option for the O's. Don't really seeing LA making him available. If they did, they'd have to eat a considerable amount of contract for Baltimore to take him on. Can't see LA eating part of his contract, just to go out and sign someone like Swisher as a replacement.

[JeremyStrain]

One team is on the WC, one is on the EC, just sayin'.

[SportsGuy]

dodgers are not shopping ethier (tho they listen on anyone). to date, source said they have received no offers on AE

Heyman

[JeremyStrain]

Not "shopping" him, but have been having talks with 2 AL teams over the past couple days that called them.

Shopping is such a semantics term, it's shopping someone if you call other teams about him, but what is it called if you have the same talks but the other team called you?

And it's not receiving an offer until talks have come to an agreement, so that was very much a non-answer by Heyman. I've got info backing up Ken though.

[SportsGuy]

Not "shopping" him, but have been having talks with 2 AL teams over the past couple days that called them.

Shopping is such a semantics term, it's shopping someone if you call other teams about him, but what is it called if you have the same talks but the other team called you?

As he said, I am sure they will listen.

I just dont get why we would be dumb enough to make the call to begin with. He isnt that good and was signed to a really dumb extension..plus, you have to give up talent to get him.

[BSLChrisStoner]

Not "shopping" him, but have been having talks with 2 AL teams over the past couple days that called them.

Shopping is such a semantics term, it's shopping someone if you call other teams about him, but what is it called if you have the same talks but the other team called you?

Listening.

Can you see a scenario where the O's take on that contract? If LA has to eat some of the contract to move him (and then will go out and sign someone like Swisher to replace him), why would they do that?

[JeremyStrain]

As he said, I am sure they will listen.

I just dont get why we would be dumb enough to make the call to begin with. He isnt that good and was signed to a really dumb extension..plus, you have to give up talent to get him.

Heard Ethier is not a choice from this regime and they are trying to back down some money from some places to go after others.

I don't think it's a great fit for us either, I think the one 30 HR year is a fluke and don't agree with the money at all, but I don't blame DD for calling to see what they would take to get out of that contract if that's what they are thinking.

I hear they want a true CF so that they can shift Kemp to RF and Crawford in LF and compensate for them coming off surgery.

[SportsGuy]

Heard Ethier is not a choice from this regime and they are trying to back down some money from some places to go after others.

I don't think it's a great fit for us either, I think the one 30 HR year is a fluke and don't agree with the money at all, but I don't blame DD for calling to see what they would take to get out of that contract if that's what they are thinking.

I hear they want a true CF so that they can shift Kemp to RF and Crawford in LF and compensate for them coming off surgery.

Oh, i can definitely see them try to move Ethier, it just makes zero sense for us to do it unless we can get him for BRob and they kick in a lot of money.

They could trade a starter for to the Angels for Bourjos if they want a true CFer.

[BSLChrisStoner]

Heard Ethier is not a choice from this regime and they are trying to back down some money from some places to go after others.

I don't think it's a great fit for us either, I think the one 30 HR year is a fluke and don't agree with the money at all, but I don't blame DD for calling to see what they would take to get out of that contract if that's what they are thinking.

I hear they want a true CF so that they can shift Kemp to RF and Crawford in LF and compensate for them coming off surgery.

Still don't see a great match, but if they ate a considerable amount of his contract, I'd have some interest. I've always liked him. Just don't like the contract.

[JeremyStrain]

Still don't see a great match, but if they ate a considerable amount of his contract, I'd have some interest. I've always liked him. Just don't like the contract.

Like the OBP, don't like the power potential for that kinda $$$. So yeah I agree.

[JeremyStrain]

Oh, i can definitely see them try to move Ethier, it just makes zero sense for us to do it unless we can get him for BRob and they kick in a lot of money.

They could trade a starter for to the Angels for Bourjos if they want a true CFer.

Think they might be trying to move the contract so they can give a slightly lesser deal to Bourn to play CF.

Hear there is drama between LAD and ANA, no deals will be happening there.

[Mackus]

Wouldn't take Ethier for nothing unless they eat a lot of his contract. He's basically a Markakis clone, with just a slightly lower BA/OBP but slightly higher SLG but he's 3 years older. More than $10-12M a year for him is too much, and yet he's owed $85M over the next 5 years. I wouldn't sign him to more than a 4/$48M deal if he was a free agent.

So the Dodgers would have to be willing to eat $25-30M of his deal AND take back nearly nothing for me to be interested. That's obviously not happening.

[Hooded Viper]

Okay here are 2 guys I would look into:

Victor Martinez- injured all last season but only 33. He is a switch hitter with decent splits and could even fill in for Wieters in an emergency; a DH and 1B with high OBP and decent power and owed $25M over the next 2 seasons. What would it take and would you do it?

What would it take to get Tyler Colvin? He is only 27, plays LF and doesn't have a starting position with CO. He had a pretty decent season last year with a .857 OPS.

[DJ MC]

Okay here are 2 guys I would look into:

Victor Martinez- injured all last season but only 33. He is a switch hitter with decent splits and could even fill in for Wieters in an emergency; a DH and 1B with high OBP and decent power and owed $25M over the next 2 seasons. What would it take and would you do it?

What would it take to get Tyler Colvin? He is only 27, plays LF and doesn't have a starting position with CO. He had a pretty decent season last year with a .857 OPS.

I don't think the Tigers would trade Martinez. They don't need the money savings, while needing his offense.

As for Colvin, he has Tony Batista's plate discipline and some epic Coors splits (130-OPS-points career, 350-points in 2012). He's also a better defender--by the numbers--in center field (over smallish sample sizes) than in the corners or at first.

[DBean]

I was thinking about this earlier- would the Nats/MLB approve of a sign and trade for LaRoche? Nats can sign LaRoche to a 2-3 year deal and then trade him to the Orioles for a couple mid-level players. Nats gets players in return, and the Orioles won't lose a #1 pick.

[DJ MC]

I was thinking about this earlier- would the Nats/MLB approve of a sign and trade for LaRoche? Nats can sign LaRoche to a 2-3 year deal and then trade him to the Orioles for a couple mid-level players. Nats gets players in return, and the Orioles won't lose a #1 pick.

I think he would have to approve; aren't there rules about when a free-agent sign-nee can be traded without consent?