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[mweb08]

Already a top-10 trade in team history? Too early for top-5.

He's been great. However, is what the players the O's traded do irrelevant?

[Mackus]

He's been great. However, is what the players the O's traded do irrelevant?

Not irrelevant, but if you get what you pay for I'm not salty about guys getting away.

[mweb08]

Not irrelevant, but if you get what you pay for I'm not salty about guys getting away.

I agree, but I think what they do is very much a factor in any sort of trade legacy rankings.

[BaltBird 24]

I don't think Hall will amount to much. Joey Ortiz is a player, though.

[BSLRoseKatz]

Not irrelevant, but if you get what you pay for I'm not salty about guys getting away.

 

I think the fairest way to assess it longterm is what Ortiz does compared to what Holliday does for the next 5-6 years. If it turns out Ortiz is a better major leaguer than Holliday then yeah that makes the trade a bit awkward but if Holliday is better than Ortiz then they moved someone who wouldn't have ever regularly started as an Oriole  

[mweb08]

This is not totally fair, but the trade will also be measured in part based on the team success this season considering it was a win now move for a player with only one year left on his contract.

[Mackus]

This is not totally fair, but the trade will also be measured in part based on the team success this season considering it was a win now move for a player with only one year left on his contract.

I think its fair to consider that. He was brought in as a mercenary. If the team is as good as hoped and he's a big part, that helps to justify the trade and cement it's quality.

[TwentyThirtyFive]

I cant give a pitcher anywhere close to 9 years

[BSLRoseKatz]

10 quality starts put him in a tie for first place in baseball with Seth Lugo, Zack Wheeler, Jose Berrios and Tanner Houck

[Mackus]

Seth Lugo has to go back to being Seth Lugo sometime soon, right?

[BSLRoseKatz]

2.08 ERA 

[Pedro Cerrano]

Win the Super Bowl and talk to me

[Mike B]

I think trades like Burnes trade should always favor the seller.  You do not get Corbin Burnes without putting young quality players in the deal.  If the young players pan out, the selling team usually wins the trade.

That said the Orioles got a terrific pitcher in Burnes.  Long term the Brewers probably win, but despite the complaining in the game threads Burnes IMO is more than advertised.

[Mackus]

2 or fewer runs allowed in 10 of 14 starts (only 3 runs allowed in each of the other 4)

6 or more IP in 11 of 14 starts (5.0, 5.0, and 5.2 IP in the other 3).

 

3rd in MLB in IP

7th in MLB in ERA

[BSLRoseKatz]

First Oriole pitcher with an ERA+ above 160 as a starter since Moose

[weird-O]

First Oriole pitcher with an ERA+ above 160 as a starter since Moose

And it only took 30 years. 

[ivanbalt]

Palmer with 25 complete games and 10 shutouts. 

[Pedro Cerrano]

Currently leads all of baseball in ERA

[makoman]

Currently leads all of baseball in ERA

Solid 2.

[TwentyThirtyFive]

Probably like 20th in WAR tho