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#1781 Slidemaster

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Posted 16 January 2025 - 03:22 PM

I don't think many people outside of Baltimore believe in the all-time stuff.

It doesn't mean it's not true (or at least can't be true), but I think there's still a lot of "he's a good running back who throws sometimes" narrative out there.

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Posted 16 January 2025 - 03:36 PM

I don't think many people outside of Baltimore believe in the all-time stuff.

It doesn't mean it's not true (or at least can't be true), but I think there's still a lot of "he's a good running back who throws sometimes" narrative out there.

 

I mean, at this point that narrative is beyond dumb and if they can't get over it then they don't watch ball or they're letting other feelings get in the way of having legitimate opinions on his play.

 

Unless they acknowledge that his "throws sometimes" make for the most efficient passing offense in the NFL by a country mile.



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Posted 16 January 2025 - 03:47 PM

I kinda feel like there are 2 things worth stepping back to see... 1) basically every QB not named Patrick Mahomes right now that is also top tier gets some of that "can't win the big one" storyline. And 2) I think the whole "Lamar haters" and the anti-Lamar-haters storyline is sorta WAY overblown.

Allen and Lamar both get a good amount of undue scrutiny in my opinion because neither has a ring. Folks are starting to label Herbert along the same lines. Burrow gets his own share of bashing despite being other worldly most of the time (like Lamar and Allen). And as a white dude, my own little secret... I've never heard a white guy talking Ravens privately say a single racist thing about Lamar. 97% of fans love the dude, and maybe 3% think he's overrated to some degree. Probably because they listened to some moron hot take talking head on a TikTok clip. :) But the unspoken "racists don't like him" thing is, in my view, way overblown too. Not saying it's a zero percent thing, but probably close to it. You can find anything about anybody on the internet.

The modern fan is overwhelmed by the hot take nature of what the media thinks we like best. It's skewing perception in so many ways. The vast majority of fans have a basic grasp of reality.

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Posted 16 January 2025 - 04:07 PM

I kinda feel like there are 2 things worth stepping back to see... 1) basically every QB not named Patrick Mahomes right now that is also top tier gets some of that "can't win the big one" storyline. And 2) I think the whole "Lamar haters" and the anti-Lamar-haters storyline is sorta WAY overblown.

Allen and Lamar both get a good amount of undue scrutiny in my opinion because neither has a ring. Folks are starting to label Herbert along the same lines. Burrow gets his own share of bashing despite being other worldly most of the time (like Lamar and Allen). And as a white dude, my own little secret... I've never heard a white guy talking Ravens privately say a single racist thing about Lamar. 97% of fans love the dude, and maybe 3% think he's overrated to some degree. Probably because they listened to some moron hot take talking head on a TikTok clip. :) But the unspoken "racists don't like him" thing is, in my view, way overblown too. Not saying it's a zero percent thing, but probably close to it. You can find anything about anybody on the internet.

The modern fan is overwhelmed by the hot take nature of what the media thinks we like best. It's skewing perception in so many ways. The vast majority of fans have a basic grasp of reality.

 

I don't think it's necessarily just racism that fuels Lamar hate.  There's some of it sure, probably more online than in person, but I tend to think that a lot of people got over the microaggression type of racism a long time ago when he won his first 2 MVPs.  I think that a large percentage of people just don't want to admit they were wrong about Lamar even when facts are smacking you in the face.



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Posted 16 January 2025 - 06:11 PM

Some people are just dumb. Never underestimate dumb.
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#1786 makoman

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Posted 16 January 2025 - 06:16 PM

He probably would have been a good WR. Imagine that YAC. Too bad he didn’t go somewhere to utilize those talents.

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Posted 16 January 2025 - 06:46 PM

He probably would have been a good WR. Imagine that YAC. Too bad he didn’t go somewhere to utilize those talents.

In all seriousness, he could have been an incredible running back.  Well, he already is, but you know what I mean.  



#1788 Biggsy

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Posted 16 January 2025 - 06:52 PM

In all seriousness, he could have been an incredible running back. Well, he already is, but you know what I mean.



People throw that RB line out thinking it's a slight. In reality, as a pure RB, he'd probably be a top 10 RB. Luckily for us, our top 10 RB is also a top 3 passer. Not sure how his hands are, but if he can catch, he'd be a top 20 WR too.

That's how athletic he is. Thats how dynamic he is. It just so happens that his arm is also special.

#1789 jamesdean

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Posted 16 January 2025 - 08:13 PM

People throw that RB line out thinking it's a slight. In reality, as a pure RB, he'd probably be a top 10 RB. Luckily for us, our top 10 RB is also a top 3 passer. Not sure how his hands are, but if he can catch, he'd be a top 20 WR too.
That's how athletic he is. Thats how dynamic he is. It just so happens that his arm is also special.

It took him awhile but it also seems that mechanically, he's finally reached a point in his career where he rarely throws off his back foot anymore. That was a bad habit that would affect his accuracy. He just looks more polished as a passer to me and has the stats to back it up. Not that he was ever chopped liver but I do feel he's taken his play to another level.

As a pure running back, I think he'd be Top 5.

#1790 85Knight

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Posted 17 January 2025 - 02:26 AM

I don't think many people outside of Baltimore believe in the all-time stuff.

It doesn't mean it's not true (or at least can't be true), but I think there's still a lot of "he's a good running back who throws sometimes" narrative out there.


You must not watch ESPN.

#1791 TwentyThirtyFive

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Posted 17 January 2025 - 08:09 AM

Ravens passed the Cowboys for the highest win % in NFL history. Yeah, have only been around 29 years but still quite the accomplishment. Appreciate how well we have had it this century


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#1792 Slidemaster

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Posted 17 January 2025 - 09:13 AM

You must not watch ESPN.


I do not.

#1793 ivanbalt

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Posted 17 January 2025 - 09:46 AM

I do not.


Cowboys

Lamar vs Allen vs Mahomes - only discuss the QBs, defense and all other players have no relevance to football.

Cowboys

Lamar sucks in the playoffs

Cowboys

Small discussions of the other playoff games

Cowboys

NBA - find a reason to talk about the Lakers, discuss all the star players to trade to the Suns to make Durant a winner.

Cowboys

Cowboys

 

There's 90-95% of the 8am-12 programming.

 

Thankfully there's a break from Aaron Rodgers and the Jets.


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#1794 makoman

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Posted 17 January 2025 - 09:49 AM

Lamar’s standing may have been questionable two offseasons ago. He was often injured and his passing game had stagnated (no doubt at this point largely due to Roman). If anyone thinks he’s not much of a passer after watching the past two years their opinion can safely be ignored, they’re either clickbait trolls or have no idea what they’re talking about.
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#1795 TwentyThirtyFive

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Posted 17 January 2025 - 10:03 AM

Lamar’s standing may have been questionable two offseasons ago. He was often injured and his passing game had stagnated (no doubt at this point largely due to Roman). If anyone thinks he’s not much of a passer after watching the past two years their opinion can safely be ignored, they’re either clickbait trolls or have no idea what they’re talking about.

The company slide apparently keeps. 



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Posted 17 January 2025 - 10:04 AM

Monken and Lamar has been such a great marriage.

#1797 Slidemaster

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Posted 17 January 2025 - 10:40 AM

The company slide apparently keeps.


This isn't true.

#1798 cprenegade

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Posted 19 January 2025 - 01:00 AM

I'm ok with saying Jackson is the best QB in today's game.  I jump off the wagon when people say greatest of all time.  It is impossible to compare QB's of today to those who played in the 70's or even before.  The running game today's QB's are able to play would have gotten them destroyed in the early to mid 70's.  The game is so much easier for QBs today.  That's why guys like Jayden Daniels are able to do what they do as rookies.  That could have never happened in the 70's.  

 

QB's used to be routinely abused in the 70's.  The NFL started to protect them even back then.  That led to a Jack Lambert statement about putting dresses on QBs.  That's because defensive lineman and linebackers used to nail QBs to the ground.  It was a badge of honor if you could put a QB out of the game.  

 

That's why you see QB passing percentages continue to rise.  They aren't playing in the same game as the QBs of the 70's played in.  It is simply not an even comparison.  


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#1799 Mackus

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Posted 19 January 2025 - 08:06 AM

I jump off the wagon when people say greatest of all time. It is impossible to compare QB's of today to those who played in the 70's or even before. The running game today's QB's are able to play would have gotten them destroyed in the early to mid 70's. The game is so much easier for QBs today. That's why guys like Jayden Daniels are able to do what they do as rookies. That could have never happened in the 70's.

You can't compare stats for the reasons you cite, but you can compare performance relative to their peers.

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Posted 19 January 2025 - 08:40 AM

I will confidently proclaim him the greatest playmaker of all time. Hes a dynamic runner. He impacts the running game in a huge way. On top of it hes made himself an elite passer in the league as well. It doesnt matter much to me where someone wants to rank him as an inside the box QB. You certainly respect the guys before him and their accomplishments. For example, Mahomes will almost surely go down as the better all time QB. He will win more rings. Thats fine. Mahomes for his greatness isnt changing the game. He isnt unique. He isnt cant miss like Lamar. That will be Lamar's lasting legacy regardless if he wins 0 rings or 3.
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