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#741 BSLChrisStoner

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Posted 15 June 2024 - 10:18 AM

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Posted 18 June 2024 - 02:29 PM

Ravens.com: Ravens unveil new ‘Purple Rising’ alternate helmet


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Posted 18 June 2024 - 07:23 PM

Ravens.com: Ravens unveil new ‘Purple Rising’ alternate helmet


I like how purple that purple helmet is
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Posted 19 June 2024 - 12:22 AM

Interesting. Is that what’s going to get them to not piss all over their legs if we’re ever fortunate to get KC again with a trip to the SB on the line?

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Posted 19 June 2024 - 08:07 AM

Interesting. Is that what’s going to get them to not piss all over their legs if we’re ever fortunate to get KC again with a trip to the SB on the line?


Nah, you can’t say: “the franchise isn’t allowed to do anything unless it directly relates to a Super Bowl appearance.” Well you can, but it’s silly IMO. Change in uniforms won’t beat the Chiefs. Upgrades to the stadium won’t beat the Chiefs. Changing concession vendors won’t beat the Chiefs. Having a training camp practice at the stadium won’t beat the Chiefs. The players going to charity events around town won’t beat the Chiefs. Etc.

We can separate things that help the team win from accessory type things that all or many teams and businesses do. Criticizing stuff that doesn’t really change the way the game is played just because it doesn't help them win in the playoffs feels like it’s going full Slide, don’t go down that path.
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Posted 19 June 2024 - 10:57 AM

Nah, you can’t say: “the franchise isn’t allowed to do anything unless it directly relates to a Super Bowl appearance.” Well you can, but it’s silly IMO. Change in uniforms won’t beat the Chiefs. Upgrades to the stadium won’t beat the Chiefs. Changing concession vendors won’t beat the Chiefs. Having a training camp practice at the stadium won’t beat the Chiefs. The players going to charity events around town won’t beat the Chiefs. Etc.

We can separate things that help the team win from accessory type things that all or many teams and businesses do. Criticizing stuff that doesn’t really change the way the game is played just because it doesn't help them win in the playoffs feels like it’s going full Slide, don’t go down that path.


I think you missed his sarcasm.
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Posted 19 June 2024 - 11:00 AM


I think you missed his sarcasm.


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Posted 19 June 2024 - 12:02 PM

Just goofing around. My way of saying I’m still not over it and don’t care about any of this noise. I’ll get over it, but it still stings. Still very proud to be a fan of such a top notch organization.
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Posted 19 June 2024 - 01:02 PM

Just goofing around. My way of saying I’m still not over it and don’t care about any of this noise. I’ll get over it, but it still stings. Still very proud to be a fan of such a top notch organization.

I think we all deal with the Chiefs loss differently.  I actually watched the game again a couple of weeks ago, so I am almost over it.

It sucked leaving the stadium while the Chiefs fans streamed into the lower deck to watch the trophy presentation..  That drove it home to me.

That said, the Ravens are a good team and organization and have delivered far more thrill than heartbreak.  I will be in my seats every home game this year and I am going to the Tampa game and maybe the the Giants game on the road.  I am looking forward to it.


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Posted 20 June 2024 - 01:37 PM

It's funny how we all were debating a contract extension for Lamar and then you see what was just given to Trevor Lawrence.



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Posted 20 June 2024 - 01:50 PM

I think we all deal with the Chiefs loss differently.  I actually watched the game again a couple of weeks ago, so I am almost over it.

 

Ew. Yeah, you definitely handle grief differently than I do. I try to purge every bit of it out of sight and mind as quickly as possible. I've even considered posting something in a random game thread on here just so I doesn't have to see that AFCCG thread at the top of the forum anymore.



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Posted 21 June 2024 - 12:35 AM

I think we all deal with the Chiefs loss differently. I actually watched the game again a couple of weeks ago, so I am almost over it.
It sucked leaving the stadium while the Chiefs fans streamed into the lower deck to watch the trophy presentation.. That drove it home to me.
That said, the Ravens are a good team and organization and have delivered far more thrill than heartbreak. I will be in my seats every home game this year and I am going to the Tampa game and maybe the the Giants game on the road. I am looking forward to it.


Not so sure about that. Plenty more thrill in the regular season, but no team knows how to lose in more spectacular fashion, or does less with more in the playoffs in the Lamar era, than the Ravens.

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Posted 21 June 2024 - 06:46 AM

Not so sure about that. Plenty more thrill in the regular season, but no team knows how to lose in more spectacular fashion, or does less with more in the playoffs in the Lamar era, than the Ravens.


Disagree, Cowboys are worse.  They were the #2 seed and got beat badly at home to the #7.


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Posted 21 June 2024 - 07:03 AM


Disagree, Cowboys are worse.  They were the #2 seed and got beat badly at home to the #7.

 

They also lost a couple of years ago to SF because the clock expired on their final potential winning drive.



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Posted 21 June 2024 - 05:22 PM


Disagree, Cowboys are worse. They were the #2 seed and got beat badly at home to the #7.



Josh Allen and the Bills have also not exactly been able to get over the KC/Mahomes bump either.

Miami has dominated at times during the regular season the past 2 years, only to fizzle at the worst times.

Aaron Rodgers and the Packers have experienced their fair share of post season heartbreak as well.

Thinking Baltimore and Lamar are the only ones is a little biased.

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Posted 22 June 2024 - 08:19 PM

Josh Allen and the Bills have also not exactly been able to get over the KC/Mahomes bump either.

Miami has dominated at times during the regular season the past 2 years, only to fizzle at the worst times.

Aaron Rodgers and the Packers have experienced their fair share of post season heartbreak as well.

Thinking Baltimore and Lamar are the only ones is a little biased.

The thing is, none of those organizations have had teams that are as good, at least statistically and by DVOA, as the 2019 and 2023 Ravens. Both lost in pathetic fashion in the playoffs. That also doesn't even include the stinker in Buffalo with another couple of turnovers, (including one at the goal line), and amassing a grand total of three points.

It's not the same situation.

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Posted 23 June 2024 - 06:12 AM

The thing is, none of those organizations have had teams that are as good, at least statistically and by DVOA, as the 2019 and 2023 Ravens. Both lost in pathetic fashion in the playoffs. That also doesn't even include the stinker in Buffalo with another couple of turnovers, (including one at the goal line), and amassing a grand total of three points.

It's not the same situation.



'23 49ers were right behind the Ravens on DVOA. Ringless, lost to the same KC team.

'22 Bills are 10th ever on total DVOA (one ahead of the 2019 Ravens), had a stacked team with everything going for then that year. Got smoked by the Bengals in the divisional round that year.

In fact, the Patriots own the top spot in total DVOA in their 16-0 season, and the 4th spot, ahead of last years Ravens team in 2010 where they went 14-2. They didn't win the Superbowl either year. The 14-2 year they lost in the divisional round to the Mark Sanchez led Jets.



I mean, it's almost like it's really frickin' hard to win the Superbowl in a single elimination tournament, no matter how good your team is.
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Posted 23 June 2024 - 06:44 AM

1 out of 32 teams wins the trophy every year. Every playoff team but one finishes with a loss. Of the top 4 seeds between the two conferences, usually considered the elite teams that have had some level of great season, at least 75% of those teams finish with an L.

And every NFL game takes on a life of its own after kick-off. Plans and tendencies and expectations can quickly change after a few snaps. Sadly, the Ravens main problem and future concern is how the staff consistently panics and quickly changes their mindset when something doesn't go right. That has much less to do with the players. And it will continue to be their major January threat (to themselves) as long as Harbs is here. Because HE isn't changing.

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Posted 23 June 2024 - 01:40 PM

'23 49ers were right behind the Ravens on DVOA. Ringless, lost to the same KC team.

'22 Bills are 10th ever on total DVOA (one ahead of the 2019 Ravens), had a stacked team with everything going for then that year. Got smoked by the Bengals in the divisional round that year.

In fact, the Patriots own the top spot in total DVOA in their 16-0 season, and the 4th spot, ahead of last years Ravens team in 2010 where they went 14-2. They didn't win the Superbowl either year. The 14-2 year they lost in the divisional round to the Mark Sanchez led Jets.



I mean, it's almost like it's really frickin' hard to win the Superbowl in a single elimination tournament, no matter how good your team is.


But how did they lose?

Did they completely lose their identity, turn the ball over constantly, and appear completely unrecognizable?

Because that to me is far worse than playing your heart out and having the other team just make one more play.

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Posted 23 June 2024 - 03:01 PM

But how did they lose?

Did they completely lose their identity, turn the ball over constantly, and appear completely unrecognizable?

Because that to me is far worse than playing your heart out and having the other team just make one more play.


I mean, the Bengals steamrolled the '22 Bills. Tom Brady lost to Mr Butt fumble. And last seasons superbowl, Shanahan was widely criticized for erasing McCaffery from the gameplan through the majority of the 2nd and 3rd quarter. Especially after he dominated the first quarter.

I think it's fair to criticize the Ravens use of their RB's, and their play calling. Spagnuolo completely schooled Monken.

Not sure how true it is, but apparently Spags did his homework, and knew what the Ravens audibles were in each formation, and had his defense lined up to take away the main play as well as the audible. It's the main reason that Monken has said Lamar will have the full playbook to check to this season. Not sure how I feel about that, but at least they're recognizing the issue and addressing it.

Regardless, the point stands, the Ravens are far from the only team to go into the post season as heavy favorites, only to blow it.
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