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[BSLChrisStoner]

Henderson?

Ortiz?

Holliday?

Mateo?

 

 

 

[dude]

Without other context (that certainly could matter)

 

Mateo/Henderson (depending on what starter we're facing)

 

I do want Ortiz starting, for the Dodgers.

 

Holliday at Norfolk.

[Mackus]

Henderson

[BobPhelan]

Henderson at SS, Holliday at 2B, Ortiz on the bench, Mateo in another organization.

[mweb08]

Henderson.

Holliday in Norfolk.

[BSLChrisStoner]

I'd like Henderson at 3rd.
Ortiz at SS.
Westburg at 2nd.

Holliday replacing one of Ortiz / Westburg at midyear.

[Mike in STL]

Without other context (that certainly could matter)

 

Mateo/Henderson (depending on what starter we're facing)

 

I do want Ortiz starting, for the Dodgers.

 

Holliday at Norfolk.

Henderson is not a platoon player. Stop it.

[dude]

Henderson is not a platoon player. Stop it.

 

<<laughs>>

[BSLSteveBirrer]

Henderson at 3rd and Westburg at 2nd.

 

I prefer to trade Ortiz in a package with somebody to get us a good starter. Then it would be Mateo most likely. But depending on now Holliday looks I am bringing him up once they get to the extra year of service time (May or whenever that is). 

 

You all know I think baseball is archaic when it comes to bringing up younger players. When they are ready play them.

 

But for sure I want Ortiz or Mateo out of the organization by ST. I see zero reason for them to both be O's come opening day.

[Mackus]

But depending on now Holliday looks I am bringing him up once they get to the extra year of service time (May or whenever that is).

There are 186 days during the MLB year next year (Mar 28 to September 29). He'd need to spend 15 days in the minors to ensure he only earns 171 days of service, one shy of the 172 that equates to a full year. That means he can be down for the 4 days of the season in March, the first 11 days of April, and be called up on April 12th. He'd miss the first 12 games.

If he goes out and finishes top-2 in ROY, then he gets credit for the full year anyways (like Adley did).

Anyone on the 40-man has to spend at least 20 days on assignment or else they get service for the time optioned and thus a full year. But Holliday isn't on the 40-man so that rule doesn't apply to him.

[BobPhelan]

Henderson at 3rd and Westburg at 2nd.

I prefer to trade Ortiz in a package with somebody to get us a good starter. Then it would be Mateo most likely. But depending on now Holliday looks I am bringing him up once they get to the extra year of service time (May or whenever that is).

You all know I think baseball is archaic when it comes to bringing up younger players. When they are ready play them.

But for sure I want Ortiz or Mateo out of the organization by ST. I see zero reason for them to both be O's come opening day.

Why not Gunnar at SS? He’s great out there. At least until Holliday is ready in your scenario. No reason for Mateo to be starting games here anymore.

[Pedro Cerrano]

I want whatever you want Stoner.

[Steve55]

Henderson has earned whatever position he wants. If he plays SS and Westburg plays 2nd would they keep Urias to play 3rd .?

 

Or if Ortiz isn't traded, let him play short & Henderson 3rd. Keep Holiday in AAA for a few months to work on his fielding.

[BSLSteveBirrer]

There are 186 days during the MLB year next year (Mar 28 to September 29). He'd need to spend 15 days in the minors to ensure he only earns 171 days of service, one shy of the 172 that equates to a full year. That means he can be down for the 4 days of the season in March, the first 11 days of April, and be called up on April 12th. He'd miss the first 12 games.

If he goes out and finishes top-2 in ROY, then he gets credit for the full year anyways (like Adley did).

Anyone on the 40-man has to spend at least 20 days on assignment or else they get service for the time optioned and thus a full year. But Holliday isn't on the 40-man so that rule doesn't apply to him.

Thanks Mackus.

 

Why not Gunnar at SS? He’s great out there. At least until Holliday is ready in your scenario. No reason for Mateo to be starting games here anymore.

Because I want Holliday at ss sooner than later and it looks like from what Mackus posted above it should only be a couple of weeks before Holliday could be up. I agree on Mateo if they don't trade Ortiz but I don't think either of them is the answer moving forward. And for Gunnar I just prefer to give him 3b to run with it. Maybe he's fine moving around?

[BobPhelan]

Holliday isn’t there yet defensively at SS yet. I think you give him a season or two playing mostly 2B before looking to move him to SS.

[Mackus]

Holliday isn’t there yet defensively at SS yet. I think you give him a season or two playing mostly 2B before looking to move him to SS.

You saying he's not good enough to play SS now or he's just not better than Henderson now?

[TwentyThirtyFive]

Has to be Henderson or Ortiz. Dont think any of the other options are realistic. Im pretty sure its gonna be Henderson. The interesting part is how  2b and 3b plays out. Have to think Westburg will get the reg time at one of the spots. The other seems totally up for grabs. 

[Mackus]

If they make a big trade for a SP, I wouldn't be shocked if Westburg is a part of it. But if he's still on the roster, then he definitely plays everyday at either 2B or 3B.

[mweb08]

Not securing the extra year of service for Holliday is insane imo.

[dude]

Not securing the extra year of service for Holliday is insane imo.

 

We've done this several times in other places, but for me, it's not even a Service Time play.

 

Steve likes to say "when he's ready"...how do we determine that?  He has a handful of PAs at AAA....what makes him "ready" at 20?  You're still growing (and learning the mechanics of a growing/changing frame) and part of that is your changing muscle structure.

 

My rule is pretty simple.  Performance across 500 PAs between AA/AAA.  We aren't there.  It's not a Service move. They've pushed him fast which is cool, but if he's promoted to the Majors at any point this season, he'll be the fastest HSer to the Majors in recent memory.

 

There's no value in that for the Orioles.  There's lots of value for that for the player, and not matter how he does (if he struggles some or if he's great) he's already told you that you get no consideration long beyond Service Rules.

 

500 PAs takes him into the summer at some point.  2024 is absolutely a developmental year and maybe he's awesome, but that's the outlier case.  We don't know.  History of Baseball says Baseball is hard.  For humans.  He's human.

 

July promotion costs him RoY consideration and potential compensation for the Orioles.....so I'm not trading a month or 2 of ML time for those considerations.  You don't trades a developmental year (that's not Service manipulation) for a future developed year, especially for a cat that's going to prioritize something other than the Orioles 6 or 7 years from now.

 

So you build your 2024 plan to be competitive now and we'll see where Jackson is towards the end of this season and for 2025.

 

Depending on the pitcher

2B Westburg / [Frazier/Lux/Baumler]

SS Mateo / Henderson

3B Henderson / Westburg

 

Mateo is signed for 2.7M.  Figure out the LHed complement to him.