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[cprenegade]

Mitchell was also explosive. Gotta include him.

 

I would agree that when used, he showed a lot of pop.  For some reason the Ravens don't want to give him a big load.   Only 9 carries and 2 receptions.  I would use him as the featured back and use Edwards as the battering ram.  I think Mitchell can be as good as Dobbins and since Dobbins can't stay on the field, Mitchell could be better.  

 

He was the best of the RBs and considering nobody had over 40 yards receiving he was as good as any of them.  But then the supposed MVP candidate QB only had 177 yards passing so it would have been hard for any receiver to have a big game.  

[BaltBird 24]

I'd say the Ravens are being conservative with Mitchell trying to keep him fresh for later in the season, but the Ravens are notorious for not utilizing their best playmakers so I refuse to give them that benefit of the doubt.

[TwentyThirtyFive]

Have said it before, they dont trust any of these RBs to carry the load. Not even in the way a RB of this generation would carry the load.

[hallas]

I would agree that when used, he showed a lot of pop. For some reason the Ravens don't want to give him a big load. Only 9 carries and 2 receptions. I would use him as the featured back and use Edwards as the battering ram. I think Mitchell can be as good as Dobbins and since Dobbins can't stay on the field, Mitchell could be better.

He was the best of the RBs and considering nobody had over 40 yards receiving he was as good as any of them. But then the supposed MVP candidate QB only had 177 yards passing so it would have been hard for any receiver to have a big game.

He had the most touches in the game, for what it's worth. Not "featured back" level but it's something.

[mdrunning]

Not the prettiest, particularly from the offensive side of the ball, but there's no such thing as a bad win. Beats the hell out of the alternative.

[PrimeTime]

That moment between he and Zay after the bouquet toss was pretty damn great too. Awesome dude. Doesn’t seem to play his best in the biggest moments though.

Very fair point. The defense has shouldered the lion's share of the blame for the late lost leads (bonus points for alliteration) but the offense faltering late in games, via stalling or untimely turnovers, should be held equally culpable.

[Steve55]

I mean, if you’re a Chargers fan - you don’t fall to 0-8 in games decided by 3 points or less - silver lining?

 

 

Thought the jinx was on when they showed the graphic.

[Ravens2006]

Harbs said in the postgame that they didn't know that Agholor didn't pick up the first down, and didn't realize that it wasn't until after the next play.

He actually said that.

This dude adds absolutely nothing on game day aside from some cheerleading and pep talks.

[bmore_ken]

My only concern for the game is it seemed like Kalil Mack did whatever he wanted with our O line. At some point as a coach you have to realize your RT is outmatched and get him some help

[Steve55]

Can't undersell Andrews' absence. There's going to be an adjustment period without him.

With that said, I would've like a more consistent commitment to the run. I suppose they saw something on film that lead us to attack them with the pass but things were a bit disjointed tonight.

 

 

Some of Andrews catches are long developing plays. They couldn't do that with Mack in the backfield every pass play. Don't know why they stopped throwing the slant, unless the D adjusted and closed it down. Can they please cut down on the WR screens,

[Ravens2006]

My only concern for the game is it seemed like Kalil Mack did whatever he wanted with our O line. At some point as a coach you have to realize your RT is outmatched and get him some help

Ravens OTs struggle with speed edge rush quite a bit. Mack has a good combo of speed and strength.

In fairness, the head coach can't even keep track of what down it is... you know, with him super busy not coordinating the offense or defense.

[Biggsy]

My only concern for the game is it seemed like Kalil Mack did whatever he wanted with our O line. At some point as a coach you have to realize your RT is outmatched and get him some help

They were chipping and doubling him a lot. Broadcast even pointed it out at one point. Mack is a special talent. League has maybe 3 or 4 other edge rushers that can get after a QB as good or better than Mack.

[Biggsy]

Some of Andrews catches are long developing plays. They couldn't do that with Mack in the backfield every pass play. Don't know why they stopped throwing the slant, unless the D adjusted and closed it down. Can they please cut down on the WR screens,

Most of then were to Beckham. I'm wondering if he tapped out somewhat after taking some decent shots to that shoulder. Very possible L.A. started playing a zone in the middle as well to take it away.

[bmore_ken]

They were chipping and doubling him a lot. Broadcast even pointed it out at one point. Mack is a special talent. League has maybe 3 or 4 other edge rushers that can get after a QB as good or better than Mack.

I must have misssed that because I sure didn't see it. 

[Steve55]

Harbs said in the postgame that they didn't know that Agholor didn't pick up the first down, and didn't realize that it wasn't until after the next play.

He actually said that.

This dude adds absolutely nothing on game day aside from some cheerleading and pep talks.

 

 

Refs blew 2 1st down spots. The 1st was Lamar on the run where he stretched the ball out. Unless the ref thought he stepped out. The 2nd was the Agholor play where he had the ball at the marker then tumbled 2 yrds beyond it. Both were on the same side of the field.

[Steve55]

I must have misssed that because I sure didn't see it. 

 

 

One of the tackles would block him and then Ricard. What they should have done was keep throwing to the side he was rushing from. On one play Likely acted to throw a block at him and then caught a quick pass for a nice gain.

[Ravens2006]

Refs blew 2 1st down spots. The 1st was Lamar on the run where he stretched the ball out. Unless the ref thought he stepped out. The 2nd was the Agholor play where he had the ball at the marker then tumbled 2 yrds beyond it. Both were on the same side of the field.

 

The Lamar play, I believe the rule is "where the ball crosses the sideline" in the air, not where it is when his foot comes down out of bounds. I could be wrong but I thought the ref expert even said that afterwards. My kids were also talking at the time of his explanation so I might have misheard.    Anyway, if I'm correct, that "where it crosses the line in the air" aspect is REALLY difficult to confidently overrule even on replay I think, unless you have a direct overhead view too.

 

The Agholor thing though, to me, is egregious on both sides, the ref spot and the Ravens lack of challenge. That seemed pretty obvious live. That said, when the chains don't move and the markers don't say 1st down, YOU HAVE TO REALIZE there is an issue as the head coach and do something about it. Him saying they (him / Ravens staff) didn't realize they hadn't given the first down is RIDICULOUS and incompetent. Same dude who took a useless timeout with him to the off-season at Foxboro back in Jan 2012 when the FG unit rushed on the field late (BECAUSE NOBODY REALIZED WHAT DOWN IT WAS).

 

Ugh. Same crap with him year after year. It's gonna bite them in the ass at the worst time unless the players just totally outplay teams in the playoffs from start to finish.

[cprenegade]

The refs missed a couple of spots with the Ravens, but they also missed two very obvious calls that should have gone against the Ravens.  First they missed an obvious personal foul for hitting Herbert well after he was out of bounds and then compounded it when they tagged the Chargers with a personal foul for retaliating.  That cost the Chargers a first and goal that might have resulted in a TD.  Then they missed fair catch interference on a punt.

 

I think it's safe to say neither team was probably happy with the calls last night.  

[PrimeTime]

Some of Andrews catches are long developing plays. They couldn't do that with Mack in the backfield every pass play. Don't know why they stopped throwing the slant, unless the D adjusted and closed it down. Can they please cut down on the WR screens,

Seriously, enough of the WR/bubble screens. Without a doubt, my least favorite offensive play. I want Zay to just go out in the pattern and catch normal passes.

Regarding Andrews, there are definitely the deep crossing routes that take time but where Andrews and Lamar excel is against zone coverage. Andrews is really good at finding the soft spot and Lamar finds him. I'm not sure if anyone on the roster can semi-fill that void.

I mentioned it last week but I think we should bring up Vokolek from the practice squad. Especially now that we have the bye week to work on some things, I believe it's worth a shot.

[Ravens2006]

The refs missed a couple of spots with the Ravens, but they also missed two very obvious calls that should have gone against the Ravens.  First they missed an obvious personal foul for hitting Herbert well after he was out of bounds and then compounded it when they tagged the Chargers with a personal foul for retaliating.  That cost the Chargers a first and goal that might have resulted in a TD.  Then they missed fair catch interference on a punt.

 

I think it's safe to say neither team was probably happy with the calls last night.  

 

Refs were pretty bad for sure. It definitely went a little bit both ways. Not calling the OOB hit on Herbert of course was HUGE. 4 point swing would have made a big difference maybe in how the final quarter of that game played out.

 

On the fair catch interference... I honestly don't know and probably won't look for details in the rulebook, but the only thing I can think of for NOT calling it (since it was SO obvious) was that the ball landed on the white boundary out of bounds.  Maybe the interpretation is up to the official that the ball wasn't really fair catchable, therefore there's nothing to interfere with??? Like a pass interference can be nullified if the refs think the ball was uncatchable. Just theorizing... the return man would have had to sort of tip toe the sideline and reach out of bounds to make that catch?  I dunno...