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[ivanbalt]

Looks like Kevin Durant fired the Suns coach for a second consecutive season following Lebron's lead after he also fired his coach since it's never the "superstars" fault for playoff failures.

 

The sooner these clowns retire the better. 

[mweb08]

That's a clown statement.

[ivanbalt]

That's a clown statement.

Why?

[mweb08]

Why?

Saying it will be better when two of the greatest to ever do it retire is absurd. Calling them clowns when their track records as people is pretty damn good is something that only a hater would say.

Ok, a couple of coaches got fired from teams that had higher expectations than results; you want to say that's on the players too, ok great, that's of course fair and there's a reasonable way to express that. You chose a different route.

Also, Darvin Ham was pretty bad.

[ivanbalt]

Saying it will be better when two of the greatest to ever do it retire is absurd. Calling them clowns when their track records as people is pretty damn good is something that only a hater would say.

Ok, a couple of coaches got fired from teams that had higher expectations than results; you want to say that's on the players too, ok great, that's of course fair and there's a reasonable way to express that. You chose a different route.

Also, Darvin Ham was pretty bad.

First, I'm talking about them as players.  I don't know much about Durant off the court and Lebron seems like a decent guy, he's a part owner of Liverpool after all.

 

But yeah it would be nice if they'd retire because I'm tired of hearing about them.  If Lebron returns to the Lakers for a seventh season, he'll be on his fourth coach.  It's pretty obvious he's had a large influence on the roster construction.  Last season they overachieved getting to the West finals.  This season most didn't expect them to compete for a championship and no matter how much the media tried to hype them they were locked into the play in.  They predictably lost to Denver, but hey the coach had to go because it could never be the fault of the roster constructed for Lebron.  One would hope the Lakers wouldn't be dumb enough to draft Bronny and it's just rumors.

 

Then there's Durant.  Hasn't accomplished much since Golden State.  Brooklyn was a disaster, but that was the fault of Steve Nash and the GM, certainly not Durant and his buddy Kyrie.  Demanded a trade and was eventually off to Phoenix.  Suns seem to be getting worse since Durant arrived and they'll be on their third coach in the fall.

 

So yeah, great players especially Lebron (#2).  But at this point they're essentially the NBA's version of Aaron Rodgers.

[mweb08]

It can both be the fault of the players and the coach. Ham has been pretty bad with some of the strategic stuff. It's much easier to upgrade on a meh at best coach like him than on LeBron.

I don't think being tired of hearing about them is a good reason to call people clowns or say it will be better off for them to retire. I shouldn't even have to say that.

Yeah, they are not in good positions to win anymore rings. There are possibilities for them if they switch teams though at some point. Interesting conversations can be had about that including ones critical of the player(s). But even if they continue to be great without a realistic path to a ring doesn't mean they should retire unless they want to of course.

[ivanbalt]

They're clowns because they have a strong influence on their teams construction and coaching and when things don't work out, it's never their fault and someone's getting fired within a year or two.

[mweb08]

They're clowns because they have a strong influence on their teams construction and coaching and when things don't work out, it's never their fault and someone's getting fired within a year or two.

There may be some truth to that, but there's also plenty of 'I should have been better' type stuff and there's good reason for them to not be too public about whatever their influence is within the front office. They also should have influence and by and large, their results have been great, especially LeBron's.

Also, and again, Ham deserved to be fired. That's not controversial at all from those that know the game well.

Beyond all that, you can make your points without coming off as a clown yourself, which is what you do when you call them clowns. That's just hater, trolling nonsense.

[BSLMikeLowe]

Clearly the Suns/Durant already had their guy in mind when they fired Vogel, as they've agreed to a 5yr/$50M deal with Budenholzer (who the Bucks have to have some regret over firing).

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[BSLMikeLowe]

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With that in mind, Thibodeau is really tempting fate by leaving his starters out there up 24 points with 4 minutes left.