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2023 Game 12: 4/12 Oakland 6:35PM


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#101 BaltBird 24

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Posted 12 April 2023 - 08:14 PM

Really wish they'd have taken this one tonight because I have zero confidence in these guys in day games. 2-2 against a team this bad is unacceptable.

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Posted 12 April 2023 - 08:30 PM

Bummer. Get tomorrow and it's still a good series.

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Posted 12 April 2023 - 09:18 PM

Bummer. Get tomorrow and it's still a good series.

 

This and other similar comments.

 

Don't want to give away games to bad teams.  There isn't a single player on the As team I would swap with an Oriole.  That doesn't say as much about the Orioles because i think most teams feel that way about the As..



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Posted 12 April 2023 - 09:19 PM

This and other similar comments.

Don't want to give away games to bad teams. There isn't a single player on the As team I would swap with an Oriole. That doesn't say as much about the Orioles because i think most teams feel that way about the As..


I'd take Jackson in our bullpen.

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Posted 12 April 2023 - 09:35 PM

I wish there were easily visible context with a lot of the “advanced” metrics out there today which attempt to measure pitch quality beyond just velo. You can get the numbers, I’m just never quite sure how to digest it without the league averages and reference points.

But if I knew more what I was reading, I’d def be curious as to how Kremer’s stuff grades out.


According to Stuff+ (not sure if tonight’s start is included or not):

4 seam fastball - 109
Sinker - 88
Cutter - 96
Slider - 109
Curve - 89
Changeup - 103

Overall - 102
Location+ - 97
Pitching+ - 96
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Posted 12 April 2023 - 09:52 PM

According to Stuff+ (not sure if tonight’s start is included or not):

4 seam fastball - 109
Sinker - 88
Cutter - 96
Slider - 109
Curve - 89
Changeup - 103

Overall - 102
Location+ - 97
Pitching+ - 96

Is 100 average?

Thanks for this.
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#107 NewMarketSean

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Posted 13 April 2023 - 06:31 AM

We have pitching issues. Like, massive pitching issues. 


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Posted 13 April 2023 - 07:03 AM

Is 100 average?

Thanks for this.

 

Yeah its like wRC+ and OPS+ in that regard. Wider gaps in numbers expected in the stuff+ numbers while every number counts more for location and pitching plus.


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Posted 13 April 2023 - 07:38 AM

According to Stuff+ (not sure if tonight’s start is included or not):

 

Was going to make this comment earlier, but I'll leverage off this.

 

For me, with Kremer it's about competitive pitches.  Swing decisions are big now-a-days but Kremer throws way too many pitches that are easy to make a decision on.  You aren't forcing the hitter into a difficult decision on every pitch.  So you can have quality stuff (Stuff+, whatever) but you aren't grinding out the hitter in every at-bat.

 

Also, I'll continue to point out that things like Stuff+, when they look at "location" doesn't look at "intent".  They're evaluating where the ball winds up, not where it was supposed to wind up which is a severe limitation of analysis (what happened) and projection (what it could mean next).



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Posted 13 April 2023 - 07:42 AM

Stuff+ looks purely at the metrics of the pitch - velocity, spin rate, pitch shape, release point, etc. But I could see that being a limitation to location+ potentially.

I agree tho that Kremer hasn’t been competitive enough on a pitch by pitch basis.

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Posted 13 April 2023 - 07:57 AM

I am still baffled by the mental errors being made. This isn't the doldrums of a long summer. They should be much sharper than this out of the gate.






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