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[BSLChrisStoner]

@MelanieLynneN

“Our plan for this offseason has always been to significantly escalate the payroll, a lot of that’s going to come through our own guys going into arbitration but also we plan to explore free agency much more aggressively” Elias on The Front Office

 

[You Play to Win the Game]

This dude’s obsessed with talking about next year, when this team is right in the thick of it.

[Slidemaster]

Dude...don't tell me the payroll is going to go up because of arbitration.

That's about the last thing I want to hear.

[Pedro Cerrano]

They’ll be aggressive for the scraps once the top tier talent is gone.

[You Play to Win the Game]

Aggressively “exploring” free agency and getting it done are two different things. But mainly, I couldn’t care less about this upcoming offseason at this very moment.

[weird-O]

Dude...don't tell me the payroll is going to go up because of arbitration.

That's about the last thing I want to hear.

Exactly. All that did was water down what I'm sure was intended to be a rallying cry to the fans. Just leave that part out. Every team sees payroll increases because of arbitration.  

[Mike in STL]

“…through our own guys going through arbitration…except for our All-Star closer that we traded for practically nothing. We avoided arbitration there. Whew.”

[dude]

<<laughs>>

[Mackus]

That's a very obnoxious quote. I'll withhold fury until they actually disappoint, but I cannot get on board with those that expect them to make significant external additions.

[dude]

He (lately) keeps talking like a guy that knows he won't have to be accountable. 

[dude]

I know we're stupid as fans and have NO IDEA how a ML team works, but...

 

The Orioles have ONE ARB2 player next year.  That's Santander (some sites use ARB3, but he was a Super2, so for alignment with FA, he's really ARB2) and there's certainly questions about whether he gets dealt in the offseason.

 

John Means is also (alignment) an ARB2, but he's already signed his contract for 2023 (3.975M)

 

The Orioles have FIVE ARB1 players.  Voth, Mullins, Hays, Tate and Mateo.  Voth, Tate and Mateo - if they're still here - will be modest raises, likely under 2M.  Mullins and Hays should receive raises to the 3-4M range (I think at the lower end of that).

 

Voth is 30, ARB1 and out of options, so if you offer him ARB, he's on the team (unless traded).

Mateo will be interesting, he's certainly been useful but everyone wants him replaced. I think it's harder for him to give up his role and go back to UT at this point, but we'll see.

 

Mike Elias absolutely knows that the raises through Arbitration are insignificant.  His words are likely still intentional.

[85Knight]

When this organization actually focuses on wins at the major league level I'll believe it. Up until now the focus has been on the farm system with some questionable moves at the big league level. These quotes certainly don't help.

[TwentyThirtyFive]

You donks are gonna read into it what you want. Significantly esculate the payroll. Aggessively persue FA. Of course going to 75 or 80 mil for '23 wont be enough for most of you anyway. You have unrealistic expectations that they are going to be 120+ plus mil next year

[BSLChrisStoner]

You don't get credit for trying...but he's again on record saying they plan to be active in FA (and that ramping up the spending has been the plan).

He is being as clear as he possibly can be.

[BSLChrisStoner]

He (lately) keeps talking like a guy that knows he won't have to be accountable.

You still think he's not going to be around much longer?

You think he enjoyed the losing, and now that he's on the precipice of a possible extended run based on the org he's put in place...he's going to want to bounce before he grabs a ring?

[Mackus]

You donks are gonna read into it what you want. Significantly esculate the payroll. Aggessively persue FA. Of course going to 75 or 80 mil for '23 wont be enough for most of you anyway. You have unrealistic expectations that they are going to be 120+ plus mil next year

They're at like $45M or so if they tender everyone and pick up Lyles option. $70-$75M payroll after the off-season would be bare minimum, IMO. Any less than that and it's gonna be real hard to argue they give anything resembling an eff about competing.

$25-30M in additions is like two above average players. It's not much.

[BSLMikeLowe]

No lack of CYA in that quote. Of course they're going to have a higher payroll next season, factoring in the raises that the current players likely to return will receive. When you are beginning from a place that is at rock bottom, you aren't saying much there. They could "significantly" increase payroll by 25% over this season and they're still spending less than $60M.

[TwentyThirtyFive]

They're at like $45M or so if they tender everyone and pick up Lyles option. $70-$75M payroll after the off-season would be bare minimum, IMO. Any less than that and it's gonna be real hard to argue they give anything resembling an eff about competing.

$25-30M in additions is like two above average players. It's not much.

Active player payroll was my baseline. They wont be paying Lyles 11 mil nor are they likely to keep all their arb elig guys

[TwentyThirtyFive]

Its BS. You guys bitched and moaned for years as we rebuilt and spent essentially no money in FA. Crickets from him. You guys hated that he never talked about competing. Now he is talking up a storm.He doubles and triples down but now he is apparently a used car salesman. You cant have it both ways

[Pedro Cerrano]

Do we even know what prompted this response? Was he asked by a reporter about next year or the off-season? If so he can’t just say “no comment”