Of course he got the best package back in his estimation. I can still think that wasn't enough of a return. I said repeatedly and still think that Stallings wasn't a good enough prospect to consider it a good deal for Iglesias. I wanted a guy a tier up.
We all said we didn't know anything about Pinto. I haven't looked back through the thread but he wasn't a part of it from what I recall. He still isn't, but maybe he can become something.
On the first line, well that was at the root of our disagreement as you thought he was leaving value on the table. Your quote:
If you're selling a car you no longer use that is worth $10k, unless you are very desperate you don't just take $6k because the money is more important to you than the car. You try to get fair value.
Of course he tried to get fair value, though, saying otherwise would be accusing him of baseball malpractice. This was the best deal available to him.
I think Stallings is MUCH better than you are thinking he is, and Pinto is 19, just had his first taste of game action last year and had a 12/3 K/BB ratio. Lets see what he does at a year long level before we get too sure what he is, although I'm willing to guess late inning BP arm. Decent FB, mid 90s with good control, and a wipeout slider. Looks like a two pitch guy, and profiles like a Pedro Strop, so it's a matter of seeing if he can get it to work as he moves up now. Still has 2-3 years of growth too, so could end up bigger and throwing a touch harder, but he was the throw in here.
Response by Mackus: Pinto has a <1% chance of ever making the majors. He doesn't exist
Note to the mods: delete this thread as the subject does not exist. I repeat, this so called Pinto does not exist. Lol
In conclusion, Elias got the best return he could and considering we didn't know a great deal about Stallings and knew almost nothing about Pinto until Jeremy posted an optimistic take, we should have given Elias at least some benefit of the doubt, at least in this type of trade where not much could have been expected. Of course that was the other problem as some overvalued Jose's market and then refused to believe that it was they that were wrong once a trade was made, which you know, is the best way for us to gauge someone's value.
Fast forward to August and we have easily had better production at SS than the Angels have gotten out of Iglesias. Some may say that doesn't matter, but it does because while the easily better production would have been on the very optimistic side of the spectrum, getting roughly equivalent value was a middle of the pack outcome, which made the deal more logical.