BSL: First Looks At Former Angels Prospects
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Posted 18 May 2021 - 02:50 PM
Liked the review of Stallings. Think we'll see Mattson at the ML level again relatively soon.
Posted 18 May 2021 - 03:19 PM
I'm still angry about the Iglesias trade. It's a small scale, but it was and still is a bad trade. His performance doesn't change my opinion that he had more value than a prospect of Stallings modest level (Stallings having a bad start doesn't make it worse, either). Even if Stallings had a unexpected velocity bump like we've seen from Bradish, it wouldn't change my opinion, as that isn't something that you can really factor in when evaluating a prospect. It was a weak return. Iglesias should have been traded, that's not the part I'm complaining about. But we should've got more. I think Elias did either a bad job drumming up interest or made a bad evaluation on what he wanted back, or maybe both.
Posted 18 May 2021 - 03:26 PM
I'm still angry about the Iglesias trade. It's a small scale, but it was and still is a bad trade. His performance doesn't change my opinion that he had more value than a prospect of Stallings modest level (Stallings having a bad start doesn't make it worse, either). Even if Stallings had a unexpected velocity bump like we've seen from Bradish, it wouldn't change my opinion, as that isn't something that you can really factor in when evaluating a prospect. It was a weak return. Iglesias should have been traded, that's not the part I'm complaining about. But we should've got more. I think Elias did either a bad job drumming up interest or made a bad evaluation on what he wanted back, or maybe both.
Yes, but he made his bosses happy. That's the factor you aren't considering here. Agreed, terrible trade. And I disagree he should have been traded. Not if, as it turned out, no one was willing to pay for him.
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Posted 18 May 2021 - 03:36 PM
Yes, but he made his bosses happy. That's the factor you aren't considering here. Agreed, terrible trade. And I disagree he should have been traded. Not if, as it turned out, no one was willing to pay for him.
Agree with the latter point, shouldn't have been dumped for nothing, should have been dealt for a decent return. The cost difference between Iglesias and Galvis is so small ($2M), I know that ownership is part of this equation, so maybe they dictated that saving that $2M is top priority. But even if we knew he gun-to-his-head had to trade Iglesias I'd still be a bit critical. Less so, but still would have wanted Elias to find a way to get more in return.
Posted 18 May 2021 - 05:26 PM
Posted 18 May 2021 - 07:50 PM
Posted 18 May 2021 - 08:06 PM
He can't just have made a bad trade? I wasn't aware that he was infallible. GMs make head-scratching trades all the time in all sports. This was one for Elias, IMO. Bad trade.
Wasn't aware that Stallings has already been declared a bust. Missed that I guess.
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Posted 18 May 2021 - 08:19 PM
Posted 18 May 2021 - 08:21 PM
He can't just have made a bad trade? I wasn't aware that he was infallible. GMs make head-scratching trades all the time in all sports. This was one for Elias, IMO. Bad trade.
Posted 18 May 2021 - 08:23 PM
I understand thinking Iglesias had more value than he did but teams obviously didn’t give too much credence to his 45 game offensive outburst. We still got a top 30 prospect (in a good farm system) for essentially nothing (in terms of picking up the option).
Posted 18 May 2021 - 08:26 PM
I understand thinking Iglesias had more value than he did but teams obviously didn’t give too much credence to his 45 game offensive outburst. We still got a top 30 prospect (in a good farm system) for essentially nothing (in terms of picking up the option).
Exactly. Iglesias was a career .273/.315/.371 hitter in over 2,900 plate appearances coming into last season. He's hitting around that career line now in nearly as many plate appearances as he had last year (140 vs. 150).
Posted 18 May 2021 - 08:28 PM
I don't really care what Stallings does. Nor what Iglesias does. In either direction. That's irrelevant to the evaluation of how much they got back for the asset they traded. I don't like the trade for those reasons.Wasn't aware that Stallings has already been declared a bust. Missed that I guess.
Posted 18 May 2021 - 08:33 PM
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Posted 18 May 2021 - 08:41 PM
That's not what I recall and it's not what you said above, but ok.I'm saying the first thing.
Posted 18 May 2021 - 08:47 PM
Additionally, if a team is able to trade a player for something and then replace the lost asset with a very similar player at a cheaper cost, that's absolutely relevant to the trade as long as that next move was feasible at the time.
Posted 18 May 2021 - 08:49 PM
That's not what I recall and it's not what you said above, but ok.
Additionally, if a team is able to trade a player for something and then replace the lost asset with a very similar player at a cheaper cost, that's absolutely relevant to the trade as long as that next move was feasible at the time.
Posted 18 May 2021 - 08:51 PM
Doesn't make the trade better if the return was subpar. The planned replacement makes the performance of the team more palatable after the trade, but it would still be a trade.
Posted 18 May 2021 - 08:52 PM
I didn't say above that Iglesias should be traded no matter how measly the return. I said he should have been traded. A trade worth taking should have been available. I don't think the guys we got back for him qualify as such, and that's been my complaint about the trade the entire time. It's always been and always will be a small scale complaint, because even if you get a great reurn for a Iglesias you're still only talking about a fringe top-10 guy at best, not someone likely to make an impact. But Stallings is two tiers below that if not three and the international guy whose name I can't remember right now seemed like even less.That's not what I recall and it's not what you said above, but ok.
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