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#41 glenn__davis

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Posted 07 May 2019 - 06:42 AM

Absolutely, it's always a roughly run race, but the leader doesn't always blatantly veer out causing the horses behind him to check or go down to a knee. Just go back and watch what happens to the 1 and the 18, and it totally took them out of contention.. Doesn't mean either would have won, but the actions of the #7 eliminated them from having a chance. Like I've been saying, it sucks, but it really was a no brainer. 

 

The call once the objection was made may have been a no-brainer.  I have an issue with the objection being made in the first place.  I just question whether it's an appropriate action to take in that context.  Easy for me to say when I don't have a chance to win the Kentucky Derby on the line.  But then again no one actually believes that Country House won the race.  Which is a shame because 2nd was still an awesome finish for a horse with his odds.



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Posted 07 May 2019 - 07:20 AM

The call once the objection was made may have been a no-brainer.  I have an issue with the objection being made in the first place.  I just question whether it's an appropriate action to take in that context.  Easy for me to say when I don't have a chance to win the Kentucky Derby on the line.  But then again no one actually believes that Country House won the race.  Which is a shame because 2nd was still an awesome finish for a horse with his odds.

It has nothing to do with Country House though, Maximum Security clearly impeded War of Will & Long Range Toddy, that's why he was taken down. Once Toddy's jockey claimed foul, it was an easy call. Had he not claimed foul, Max wouldn't have been taken down. Country House wasn't affected by Maximum veering out. His jockey took a shot, and I'm guessing that wouldn't have been enough. It was solely Long Range Toddy's jockey's claim that had the impact on the DQ,(hence why "Max" was placed 17th, right below him). 

 

This really does happen all the time in Horse Racing, there are rules designed for safety, and they weren't followed here. It's a fairly common part of the game. It's just that this was the sport's biggest stage, which I agree is a shame. 


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Posted 07 May 2019 - 07:28 AM

It has nothing to do with Country House though, Maximum Security clearly impeded War of Will & Long Range Toddy, that's why he was taken down. Once Toddy's jockey claimed foul, it was an easy call. Had he not claimed foul, Max wouldn't have been taken down. 

 

This really does happen all the time in Horse Racing, there are rules designed for safety, and they weren't followed here. It's a fairly common part of the game. 

 

Think we're arguing different things here.  Like Baffert said, by the book, it's the right call.  And certainly in the situation they (the stewards) have to follow the book.  My issue really isn't with the stewards changing the outcome.  It's with the jockeys for crying foul.  I think there's a point where you acknowledge, this is just part of this specific race, the clear best horse won, and you take it and move on.  This may happen all the time in every day racing, but I believe only 1 time before had anyone ever even lodged an objection in the Derby?  There's a reason for that.  



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Posted 07 May 2019 - 07:47 AM

Think we're arguing different things here.  Like Baffert said, by the book, it's the right call.  And certainly in the situation they (the stewards) have to follow the book.  My issue really isn't with the stewards changing the outcome.  It's with the jockeys for crying foul.  I think there's a point where you acknowledge, this is just part of this specific race, the clear best horse won, and you take it and move on.  This may happen all the time in every day racing, but I believe only 1 time before had anyone ever even lodged an objection in the Derby?  There's a reason for that.  

Agree to disagree I guess. When it's as blatant as that was, I don't blame the Jockey for lodging the objection. 

 

Yes, there's always a lot of bumping at the beginning of each Derby, it's part of the deal when there's a 20 horse field. But when the horse on the lead comes out 2 paths and almost knocks two horses over, it just has to be dealt with. Had this happened with these particular horses battling for 15th place, maybe nothing happens, tough to say. 


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Posted 07 May 2019 - 08:21 AM

Think we're arguing different things here.  Like Baffert said, by the book, it's the right call.  And certainly in the situation they (the stewards) have to follow the book.  My issue really isn't with the stewards changing the outcome.  It's with the jockeys for crying foul.  I think there's a point where you acknowledge, this is just part of this specific race, the clear best horse won, and you take it and move on.  This may happen all the time in every day racing, but I believe only 1 time before had anyone ever even lodged an objection in the Derby?  There's a reason for that.  

 

I guess this is more of a general question, but how much of a monetary difference is there between spots in the Derby for the owner, jockey, etc.? I assume it's a decent amount, even between mid-table finishers.


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