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ESPN Boston: Valentine, "Orioles are lucky."
#1
Posted 01 September 2012 - 09:28 AM
http://espn.go.com/b...clip?id=8324444
Valentine interviewed on the Michael Kay Show on ESPN New York. He starts off by saying, 'They are not good,' and catches himself slightly. Points to the run-differential, and says the O's have received a lot of breaks. Does mention the bullpen.
Can't say his comments are completely unfair, but this is another example of why Valentine is so 'likable.'
Also, the O's have had to go through plenty of adversity of their own this year. If you are the Manager of a team that has collectively underachieved, it is arrogant to explain away the O's success as simply luck. It takes a lot to win. Saying the O's have won by simply luck, is another way for Valentine to explain the lack of results from Boston. They simply had 'bad luck.'
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Posted 01 September 2012 - 09:37 AM
#3
Posted 01 September 2012 - 09:38 AM
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#4
Posted 01 September 2012 - 09:40 AM
Bobby Valentine will not have the same thing occur from the Red Sox.
He just needs to shut up.
#5
Posted 01 September 2012 - 09:41 AM
Like you, I feel that given his place in his standings, and his tenure in Boston inevitably coming to a quick end, he probably should have given Buck and the O's the ole 'tip o the cap and then just shut the hell up.
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Posted 01 September 2012 - 09:43 AM
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#7
Posted 01 September 2012 - 09:45 AM
The fact that our pitching is doing so well is not luck. The fact that we are winning such a high percentage of one-run and two-run games is rather lucky. We're beating teams full of professional hitters. I guess what I'm saying is that getting the lead is not lucky, but keeping the lead is lucky.
#8
Posted 01 September 2012 - 09:50 AM
I agree with Valentine to some extent. We have been extremely lucky. We're making our own luck to some extent, but we've been extremely fortunate to have our pitching (especially the bullpen) keep us in games where we score a low amount of runs.
The fact that our pitching is doing so well is not luck. The fact that we are winning so many one-run games is rather lucky.
Sure, there is some 'truth' to his statement. It is more of an irritation of how the message is conveyed. It also is easy to just dismiss what the O's have been accomplishing.
If the O's win the American League East, that is a major major accomplishment, and calling it simply luck is just dismissive.
Also, not everything has gone right for the O's. Reimold, Roberts, Hammel's injury, down years overall for Reynolds, and Hardy, losing Markakis for a month. Etc. Etc.
#9
Posted 01 September 2012 - 09:52 AM
I have no issue with him saying we've been lucky. I do have a problem with him stating we can't be this good with as bad as our run differential has been. That was just a dick move from an obviously bitter has been who has been out managed by Buck, who frankly has had the deck stacked against him (from a sheer resources standpoint.)I agree with Valentine (and Showalter) to some extent. We have been extremely lucky. We're making our own luck to some extent, but we've been extremely fortunate to have our pitching (especially the bullpen) keep us in games where we're not scoring a lot more runs than the other team.
The fact that our pitching is doing so well is not luck. The fact that we are winning such a high percentage of one-run and two-run games is rather lucky. We're beating teams full of professional hitters.
And let's face it... We definitely have been lucky, but of all the teams, Boston and New York have no place complaining about some breaks falling our way down the stretch... With $400M in combined payrolls, there is no excuse for either team not making the playoffs or at least being serious contenders.
So Bobby... STFU!
#10
Posted 01 September 2012 - 09:53 AM
Sure, there is some 'truth' to his statement. It is more of an irritation of how the message is conveyed. It also is easy to just dismiss what the O's have been accomplishing.
If the O's win the American League East, that is a major major accomplishment, and calling it simply luck is just dismissive.
Also, not everything has gone right for the O's. Reimold, Roberts, Hammel's injury, down years overall for Reynolds, and Hardy, losing Markakis for a month. Etc. Etc.
I guess what I'm saying is that baseball is all about enforcing your will and capitalizing on the other team's mistakes. There's some luck involved with how many mistakes the other team makes (bad pitches, bad at-bats, etc), but you have to be skillful to capitalize on those mistakes. A skillful player can also magnify smaller mistakes.
Also, Bobby Valentine is a moron. It still gives me chills to think that he was in the running to be OUR moron. I don't think we'd be as "lucky" with Valentine at the helm instead of Showalter.
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Posted 01 September 2012 - 10:08 AM
#12
Posted 01 September 2012 - 10:23 AM
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#13
Posted 01 September 2012 - 10:23 AM
At the end of the season Buck Showalter is going to receive a paycheck from the Orioles and will continue to do so next year.
Bobby Valentine will not have the same thing occur from the Red Sox.
He just needs to shut up.
The sad thing is that ESPN will quickly hire Bobby V back nd trumpet him as a baseball expert. Their definition of baseball expert must be take the second or third highest payroll in baseball and manage to lose 90 games. My advice to Bobby is that he concentrate on evaulating the Red Sox rather than the O's. One other word for Bobby, STANDINGS!!!
I am shocked at the people who insist on using run differential as a means to run down the Orioles success. I think these are many of the same experts who predicted the Orioles would lose over 100 games.
#14
Posted 01 September 2012 - 10:24 AM
Now go away Jack A@@.
#15
Posted 01 September 2012 - 11:54 AM
He definitely has a much worse mustache differential than Buck over the years.Hey Bobby remember this....
#16
Posted 01 September 2012 - 12:04 PM
I was actually going to say that but I wasn't sure if he turned it down or we hired Buck over him. Didn't want to have my facts wrong.One other note. Thank you Bobby for turning down the Orioles job. We were able to find a real manager because of it.
Now go away Jack A@@.
#17
Posted 01 September 2012 - 12:11 PM
ps: I have never used that last word on a message board before... which is fitting, because nobody has earned the honor like Bobby V has...
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Posted 01 September 2012 - 12:22 PM
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#19
Posted 01 September 2012 - 12:42 PM
#20
Posted 01 September 2012 - 01:29 PM
BTW.....couldn't hear the audio. What was Buck's response???
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