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[RShack]

Curious what period you are talking about when you say "lately".

 

Since his return from the DL he's got a 4.97 ERA in 25.1 IP over 5 starts.  27 hits, 5 HR, 16 BB, 21 K, 863 OPS-against.  Small sample size, sure, but I think you have to be squinting pretty hard to see many positives in there.  I think his velocity has been more like what we expected than when it was way down to begin the year, which is certainly a good sign, but even that improved velocity hasn't led to particularly good results.  I don't think he's doomed to failure like he would have been had the velocity not ticked up, but I can't say I'm overly optimistic.

 

You can't look at just his summary stats, you gotta look how he did during each game...

 

His last start, he had a 2-hit shutout thru 5...

The one before that wasn't good, 4R on 6H in 4..

The one before that was a QS

The one before that he had a rough 1st inning (3R), but after that he faced just 1 over the MIN for the next 4.1 IP

The one before that, he had a QS going but threw too many p's and was done after 5...

 

My point is that he's not getting shelled... he just needs to walk a few less guys, get more mileage out of his pitch count, and get his IP up... if he does that, then we're getting what we're paying for...

[Mackus]

That feels like cherry picking to me.  Would be one thing to think he looks better since coming back and be optimistic about the results improving to match.  But I don't think there is any way to spin the recent results as anything better than borderline passable. 

 

Somewhat unrelated, but I don't think it makes much of a meaningful argument to be quoting "quality starts". 

[RShack]

That feels like cherry picking to me.  Would be one thing to think he looks better since coming back and be optimistic about the results improving to match.  But I don't think there is any way to spin the recent results as anything better than borderline passable. 

 

Somewhat unrelated, but I don't think it makes much of a meaningful argument to be quoting "quality starts". 

 

Of course it's cherry-picking... if you're gonna look at anything except summary numbers, it's cherry-picking... the point is that, since he's been back, most of his innings have been fine, just with too many p's, that's all...  

 

When I watch him, he looks more like what I expected than he did before...

 

As for QS, I don't think QS's are really "quality starts"...  I've said for years it oughta be 20 outs, not just 18...   I use it just as shorthand for 6 IP at no more than 3 ER...  but every time I use the shorthand, somebody has to criticize what QS are...

 

If we get QS's from him, I'll be satisfied...

[Mackus]

If half of his starts are the bear minimum of what qualifies as a quality start, or even 3/4, and the rest are something worse, he's gonna end up having pretty brutal numbers overall.  I'll definitely take it if he averages close to 6 IP with a 4.50 ERA, but not really optimistic about that.

[You Play to Win the Game]

Gallardo's game logs since his return from the DL in June. 11 starts, 8 of them 3 runs or less. Averaging pretty much 5 innings a start, which is the real killer. But I'd take this from him the rest of the season gladly

[CA-ORIOLE]

Yeah, the walks are still too much, but it's been way better than UJ and you have the feel he can put it together and keep us in games.

[dude]

Let's trade him to Cleveland for Will Benson and 6M.  

 

Yes, I'm going to keep saying that.

[CA-ORIOLE]

Hit 93-94 quite a few times today. Best velocity I've seen this year.

[RShack]

5 IP, 95p    5 H, 1 ER (2 R)    1 BB, 5K