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[mweb08]

I mostly agree. However, I'm not nearly convinced enough to really agree with #3.

 
You think the evidence is enough to convict?

Not at all. I meant that I don't agree with his statement about not losing sleep (due to his first statement).

[SammyBirdland]

I totally get that sentiment. Talk about confused emotions. I guess the fact that I'm not seething mad about him sitting in prison means that deep down I must be pretty sure that I think he's guilty, even though he's a very likable personality.

[mweb08]

Well to be clear, I'm not literally losing sleep.

[DJ MC]

Not at all. I meant that I don't agree with his statement about not losing sleep (due to his first statement).

 

Gotcha.

[ChaosLex]

I totally get that sentiment. Talk about confused emotions. I guess the fact that I'm not seething mad about him sitting in prison means that deep down I must be pretty sure that I think he's guilty, even though he's a very likable personality.

 

Master manipulators usually are very likable people. 

[DJ MC]

Master manipulators usually are very likable people. 

 

Yeah, but as the Innocence Project lawyer said, what are the chances that he's a master manipulator, or a sociopath?

[McNulty]

Just listened to all of these while I was stuck at work yesterday.  

 

I just can't get past the fact that Jay knew where the car was.  I'd believe Adnan was innocent otherwise.

 

Also, the Balmer accents are RIDICULOUS in this.  I'll bet there were over 500 'you know's in this thing.  And the way the detectives pronounced his name was embarrassing.  

[DJ MC]

One thing I just thought of in regards to the car. Jay frequented the drug corners of West Baltimore buying pot. If he had been hanging out with Adnan for a while (as was mentioned) or he knew Hae, he may have known what her car looked like, and noticed it where it was left off Edmonson Avenue.

 

It's a stretch, and doesn't explain why he would make up the rest, but it seems reasonable at least.

[RShack]

One thing I just thought of in regards to the car. Jay frequented the drug corners of West Baltimore buying pot. If he had been hanging out with Adnan for a while (as was mentioned) or he knew Hae, he may have known what her car looked like, and noticed it where it was left off Edmonson Avenue.

 

It's a stretch, and doesn't explain why he would make up the rest, but it seems reasonable at least.

 

(I haven't listened to any of this, but I kinda know what it's about... just the basic idea, very vaguely.)  

 

About the thing you're wondering about... is there a knowable right answer?  Or is this one of those uncertain things that people will wonder about forever?

[NewMarketSean]

Just got into this. Listening to episode 2 now.

[mweb08]

Just listened to all of these while I was stuck at work yesterday.  
 
I just can't get past the fact that Jay knew where the car was.  I'd believe Adnan was innocent otherwise.

That is key, but it doesn't prove Adnan did it or was even involved, it just points to Jay being involved unless DJ's scenario is right. I do think it gives Jay's story a lot more weight, though.

[mweb08]

One thing I just thought of in regards to the car. Jay frequented the drug corners of West Baltimore buying pot. If he had been hanging out with Adnan for a while (as was mentioned) or he knew Hae, he may have known what her car looked like, and noticed it where it was left off Edmonson Avenue.
 
It's a stretch, and doesn't explain why he would make up the rest, but it seems reasonable at least.

 
(I haven't listened to any of this, but I kinda know what it's about... just the basic idea, very vaguely.)  
 
About the thing you're wondering about... is there knowable a right answer?  Or is this one of those uncertain things that people will wonder about forever?

Uncertain, at least until the DNA tested.

[McNulty]

That is key, but it doesn't prove Adnan did it or was even involved, it just points to Jay being involved unless DJ's scenario is right. I do think it gives Jay's story a lot more weight, though.

 

Its either Jay did it, or he's telling the truth (or enough of it anyway).  There's no third option, to me anyway, since he knew where the car was.  Coming upon it by happenstance seems REALLY improbable. 

[mweb08]

That is key, but it doesn't prove Adnan did it or was even involved, it just points to Jay being involved unless DJ's scenario is right. I do think it gives Jay's story a lot more weight, though.

 
Its either Jay did it, or he's telling the truth (or enough of it anyway).  There's no third option, to me anyway, since he knew where the car was.  Coming upon it by happenstance seems REALLY improbable. 

Or Jay was involved in a similar way, but someone we haven't heard about did it. I agree that Jay was involved in some way, but unfortunately we don't know much of anything else with that much certainty.

[NewMarketSean]

Needless to say, the persecution's timeline is weak and they're lucky they were able to get a conviction out of such a rigid timeline that doesn't seem realistic. Add to that some blunders by the police department -- never talking to witnesses (Asia and Will chief among others) -- and I am shocked they were able to convict Adnan.

 

I do still believe he killed her, and I think the foundation of Jay's story never changed although many of the details did. I think once he went along with Adnan that day, he felt like he'd become involved and being a drug dealer, was untrustworthy of the police. Perhaps he also felt scared for Stephanie.

 

I'm through 9 episodes. I have really been enjoying it, and, like The Wire, the local references heighten that enjoyment. I don't know if Koenig tried to get into touch with Hae's family, or if they even wanted to be a part of the show, but I would have liked to hear their perspective on the case.

[Mackus]

I'll also agree with those non-committal people who think Adnan did it but don't think there was enough for a conviction.

 

There are definitely tons of little pieces of information that could help tie the case together, but doubt we'll ever be able to confirm any of them.

 

Really cool series, though.  Hope the next one is as entertaining.  Made a long car ride go by very quickly.

[DJ MC]

Needless to say, the persecution's timeline is weak and they're lucky they were able to get a conviction out of such a rigid timeline that doesn't seem realistic. Add to that some blunders by the police department -- never talking to witnesses (Asia and Will chief among others) -- and I am shocked they were able to convict Adnan.

 

I do still believe he killed her, and I think the foundation of Jay's story never changed although many of the details did. I think once he went along with Adnan that day, he felt like he'd become involved and being a drug dealer, was untrustworthy of the police. Perhaps he also felt scared for Stephanie.

 

I'm through 9 episodes. I have really been enjoying it, and, like The Wire, the local references heighten that enjoyment. I don't know if Koenig tried to get into touch with Hae's family, or if they even wanted to be a part of the show, but I would have liked to hear their perspective on the case.

 

"Persecution"...nice Freudian slip

 

I think she mentioned trying to get in touch with them, but they didn't want to be involved.

[McNulty]

http://t.co/cGERDuZTyN

Interview with Jay

[BSLChrisStoner]

Making Sense of Serial: Who did it?

http://persephonemag...ial-who-did-it/

[NewMarketSean]

The interview with Jay is interesting... and makes it seem like BB wasn't the location of the murder, which I thought sounded fishy all along.

 

It also does a lot to flesh out the reason why Jay went along with Adnan and was afraid of getting in trouble, which is why the details of his story changed a lot.

 

I'd also love to know who made the anonymous call to police about looking into Adnan.