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#1 BSLChrisStoner

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Posted 04 December 2013 - 09:15 PM

BSL: Terps rocked in Columbus; What did we see?
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The University of Maryland Terrapins lost 76-60 at #5 Ohio State, in MD’s last year representing the Atlantic Coast Conference in the ACC / Big Ten Challenge.

 

With the loss, MD falls to 5-3 overall. There was hope that MD could pull the upset, and add a major Out-of-Conference scalp to their Tournament resume. Since that did not happen, MD’s primary OOC wins remain their victories over Northern Iowa, and Providence in the Paradise Jam. MD will hope to add further RPI Top 100 wins against George Washington (This Sunday at the BB&T Classic at the Verizon Center), and later against Tulsa and Boston University at home.

 

What did we see?

1) We saw Maryland get embarrassed in-front of a National audience. At the half, the Terps were down 17 points. In those first 20 minutes, MD was just 10 for 29 from the floor (1 for 8 from 3), with 10 turnovers. MD struggled to score, and just get into offensive sets. Defensively the Terps were being scored on easily as well. Ohio State went into the half making 54% of their shots, including 6 of their 10 3 point attempts. For the game, MD was 24 of 61 (39%), while OSU was 25 of 48 (52%). The Terps were 2 of 18 from 3 point land, and only had 13 foul shots. Ohio State had 25 attempts from the charity stripe.

 

1a) Losing on the road against a Top 5 team on the road, isn’t overly surprising. The disappointing aspect was that the game quickly got out of hand. Ohio State is one of the premier defensive teams in the country, and MD’s PG issues were really exposed.

 

1b) For MD to compete against a National power, Wells and Layman have to bring their A games. That certainly didn’t happen tonight, and it was reflected in the score. Though Wells gets some credit for improving his play in the 2nd half.

 

2) MD led on the boards 23-15 at the half, with 11 of them coming on the offensive side (with the lack of shooting contributing). For the game, MD won the boards 44-30.

 

3) One bright spot in the 1st half for MD was the play of Charles Mitchell, who had 8 points, and 8 boards off the bench. He twice had baskets to end large runs. He also had MD’s first points of the 2nd half with a nice reverse. Mitchell finished with 12 points, 11 boards (9 offensive).

 

4) Smotrycz had the Terps first 5 points, and went to the half with 9. He finished the game with 15 points (6 of 12 from the floor), and 7 boards. You could tell he was the most comfortable Terp in this new environment for MD. Not surprising giving his prior Big Ten experience.

 

5) Layman got on the board early with a nice drive to the basket. However, that was his only points of the 1st half. Layman finished the half 1 for 5 from the floor, and 0 for 3 from 3. Things did not improve for Layman in the 2nd half. Maryland’s offense looked abysmal with out Layman providing his normal scoring. That initial basket was Layman’s lone basket of the night. He was 1 for 9 from the floor, with 7 boards, 1 assist, and 2 blocks.

 

6)  Like Layman, Wells had just 1 basket (1 for 7) in the 1st half. The half ended on a very ugly note, when OSU picked Wells pocket and scored as time ran out. Wells scored on back-to-back drive to make it 48-32 with 17:00 left in the game. Another layup got MD within 14. That was as close as MD got the rest of the way. For the game, Wells finished with 19 points (8 of 17 from the floor), with 3 boards.

 

7) Ohio State’s LaQuinton Ross went off early, with four 3′s to put the Buckeyes up 18-9. It felt like an earlier adjustment was needed.  With Allen out, MD’s two best perimeter defenders are Faust, and Ram. At 6’8, 220 lbs, Ross has strong size. Obviously too much from Ram. He’d probably overwhelm Faust in the post as well. However, with Ross standing out on the perimeter, I would have liked to have see Faust really lock in on him.

 

8) Ram and Dodd both got a fair amount of time tonight. Ram’s time was really extended. I think Coach Turgeon kept Ram on the floor, because without anything else going right; he respected Ram’s defensive effort.

 

9) Maryland had just 6 assists for the night. Pretty incomprehensible.

 

10) The Terps finished with 14 turnovers for the game. A liveable amount overall, but the poor PG play extends beyond turnovers.  Peters did have 4 assists, but had 5 turnovers and was clearly in over his head. At least he got this experience, he will be better served for it going forward.

 

11) Maryland’s strong 2014 recruiting class, and a rematch vs. Ohio State can not come soon enough. I don’t think it will take long for Terp fans to establish new rivalries in the Big Ten.



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Posted 04 December 2013 - 10:10 PM

Predictable really. This has been MD basketball for much of the last decade now.

 

Im not sure why people expected much different results from last year. Its the same guys without a Top 5 NBA pick. What improvement you could expect, and we have seen improvement from Mitchell and Layman and a solid shooter in Smo, was wiped out by losing Len.

 

 

Still don't have a PG and while the shooting is better, it's still inconsistent. Faust is an absolute liability. Hopefully Allen is ready in a month and he should definitely be replacing Faust. Wells can drive you crazy at times too, but he's better than Faust. Seeing them both on the court at the same time is enough to pull your hair out.



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Posted 04 December 2013 - 10:15 PM

Oh and how does a starting center play 16 min and get no boards. Are you kidding me. Get Cleare out of here.

 

When Seth gets back it needs to be

 

Allen

Wells

Layman

SMo

Mitchell

 

 

 

Faust

Peters

Dodd

 

 

8 man rotation. Shorten it up already and hopefully get some chemistry. That's the biggest thing Im seeing really. These guys don't know how to play with or off of each other.



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Posted 04 December 2013 - 10:48 PM

I'll say this: It's not good when I have more faith in the Terps' football team heading into the Big Ten than I do the basketball team.


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Posted 04 December 2013 - 10:53 PM

I'll say this: It's not good when I have more faith in the Terps' football team heading into the Big Ten than I do the basketball team.

That's insane.



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Posted 04 December 2013 - 10:54 PM

I'll say this: It's not good when I have more faith in the Terps' football team heading into the Big Ten than I do the basketball team.

 

Ehh, tonight was horrible... but you add Allen and next year's class - Trimble, Wiley, Nickens, and Reed... and that group should push everyone in the Big Ten.



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Posted 04 December 2013 - 11:16 PM

Just watched the game online.  Kind of surprised at the mood here to be honest.  What were people expecting?  This is a young bubble team on the road against an experienced top 10 team, without the guy that should be their point guard.

 

I feel like we didn't hit a jump shot all night.

 

Also, gotta be honest, I'm kind of ready for Wells to be gone.  Heck of an open court player, just not a very smart basketball player.


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Posted 04 December 2013 - 11:17 PM

Mitchell played really well. Everyone else was pathetic. Nothing positive to talk about. This team is not making the tournament. I don't know if I was ever as down on last year's team as I now am on this team, and Seth Allen isn't a game changer.



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Posted 04 December 2013 - 11:17 PM

Just watched the game online.  Kind of surprised at the mood here to be honest.  What were people expecting?  This is a young bubble team on the road against an experienced top 10 team, without the guy that should be their point guard.

 

I feel like we didn't hit a jump shot all night.

 

Also, gotta be honest, I'm kind of ready for Wells to be gone.  Heck of an open court player, just not a very smart basketball player.

Wells is certainly frustrating. Faust is worse. I really am done seeing them on the court at the same time unless it's necessary. Which for now, I guess it is necessary.



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Posted 04 December 2013 - 11:20 PM

I'm just not sure this team is very good. A bunch of players right now that are good enough to be maybe the 3rd or 4th best player on a team. This game was one of the least enjoyable games to watch that I can remember.

 

Aaron Craft also might have more basketball IQ in his pinkie than anyone on Maryland's roster. Kid is a player.


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Posted 04 December 2013 - 11:30 PM

Re:  Wells.

 

I'm almost in the "can't wait for him to be gone" boat too.  Dude can play fantastic and than play like the biggest bonehead/out-of-control player all in the same game.  And all for long stretches too.


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Posted 04 December 2013 - 11:31 PM

Mitchell played really well.<br /><br />Everyone else was pathetic. Nothing positive to talk about. This team is not making the tournament. I don't know if I was ever as down on last year's team as I now am on this team, and Seth Allen isn't a game changer.

Meh. Probably not, but this team only has a chance to get better. Last year people got to caught up in coming back on what was then #1 Kentucky.  Ultimately, I think we'll generally end up being around the same quality team as we were last year. We lost Len, but Mitch and Layman have improved and Smo is a solid addition as a much needed shooter.

 

 

 

I also believe Allen can make a noticeable difference. He was the best player at creating by the end of last year. Reports over the summer said he had made even more strides.

 

 

Also, Roddy flashes good things at times. An inconsistent freshman right now, but hopefully he contines to improve. He's gonna get it and be a solid player eventually.

 

 

I'll say what I said after the first game. I'm starting to see pieces of a core than will be good. Mitchell, Layman, Peters, Smo, Allen(based on last year).

 

 

I see the potential going forward, especially if Melo is as good as advertised and Reed can provide a defensive presence at 7 foot. Have some hope for Dodd too, at least as a role player. That's 8 guys, not including another highly regarded player in Wiley.

 

I kind of agree with glenndavis in that I would be fine with Wells leaving. If he would reel it in and stop trying to do too much he has value but not at the moment. Faust and Cleare are two other guys Im just ready to be done with. If there were WAR for college basketball players there is no doubt Faust and CLeare would be negative players.


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Posted 05 December 2013 - 12:24 AM

Sunday is a big game.  GW is 6-1, wins over Miami and Creighton. MD always has so much 'fun' at the BB&T.

As Patrick Stevens said today on Lance's show... MD has chances for RPI Top 100 wins vs. GW, Tulsa, and Boston University. MD needs those 3 wins, plus Northern Iowa, and Providence... + a Top 7 finish in the ACC to dance. Certainly possible.

Another big game is the first ACC game at Boston College in about 10 days.

I'll disagree with Mackus about Allen not being a difference maker... another ball-handler will help...so will his scoring, athleticism, and defense.

MD got worked on the road against a Top team. Sucks... but I'm over it.

It will be a grind the rest of the way though. There will be unexpected ups and downs.



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Posted 05 December 2013 - 12:55 AM

Meh. Probably not, but this team only has a chance to get better. Last year people got to caught up in coming back on what was then #1 Kentucky.  Ultimately, I think we'll generally end up being around the same quality team as we were last year. We lost Len, but Mitch and Layman have improved and Smo is a solid addition as a much needed shooter.

 

 

 

I also believe Allen can make a noticeable difference. He was the best player at creating by the end of last year. Reports over the summer said he had made even more strides.

 

 

Also, Roddy flashes good things at times. An inconsistent freshman right now, but hopefully he contines to improve. He's gonna get it and be a solid player eventually.

 

 

I'll say what I said after the first game. I'm starting to see pieces of a core than will be good. Mitchell, Layman, Peters, Smo, Allen(based on last year).

 

 

I see the potential going forward, especially if Melo is as good as advertised and Reed can provide a defensive presence at 7 foot. Have some hope for Dodd too, at least as a role player. That's 8 guys, not including another highly regarded player in Wiley.

 

I kind of agree with glenndavis in that I would be fine with Wells leaving. If he would reel it in and stop trying to do too much he has value but not at the moment. Faust and Cleare are two other guys Im just ready to be done with. If there were WAR for college basketball players there is no doubt Faust and CLeare would be negative players.

 

Dez isn't gonna leave. He's not good enough.


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Posted 05 December 2013 - 01:01 AM

Like Chris said, it was on the road vs. the #5 team. The sloppiness was disappointing, but I too am over this one. What I'm still not over is that Oregon State loss. That was beyond inexcusable.



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Posted 05 December 2013 - 01:15 AM

Dez isn't gonna leave. He's not good enough.

Of course he's not. I'm just saying, I'm fine if he somehow went away.

 

 

I mean not really, not if he "knows his role" and plays within himself. Right now, he tries to do way too much. I hate watching selfish, low IQ basketball. Faust and Wells are the definition of that right now.


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Posted 05 December 2013 - 01:29 AM

Ehh, tonight was horrible... but you add Allen and next year's class - Trimble, Wiley, Nickens, and Reed... and that group should push everyone in the Big Ten.

Based on what I've seen from this team, I don't see any improvement at all. Losing Allen was bad, but it shouldn't have been this bad. With the talent that Turgeon has, they should be blowing teams like Marist out of the water, and the only cupcake they've handled well has been Morgan State.

 

And it's not only that. The sloppy, idiotic basketball being played each game speaks volumes about this group of players. I don't know whether it's coaching or every player on the court being selfish, but when these players get the ball they put blinders on and have an "I'm scoring or no one's scoring" mentality. It seems even more that way this season, and it has extended to the defensive side of the court. Lazy, sloppy defense has been played against every single opponent, and Varun Ram is the only player I've seen consistently play good defense. 

 

The mental mistakes are still there, and haven't improved one bit from last season. I can understand them from freshmen like Peters and Dodd, but when Nick Faust and Dez Wells are making the same stupid passes and taking the same stupid shots as the freshmen, that worries me. I assumed that we'd see progression from this team from Year 2 to Year 3, and I've seen nothing. I'm not saying they can't improve, they surely can, and probably will. But right now, I have very little faith in this team improving until they show me something.

 

We can talk recruiting classes all day. I think it's awesome that Mark Turgeon and his staff are able to bring in such high-level talent. But unless you can get those guys to play smart basketball as a team, recruiting doesn't matter. I've always been a big Turgeon supporter (minus his horrendous offense), and I think he can do great things here. But he needs to show some progression or he may find himself on the hot seat sooner rather than later.

 

Speaking of his offense, I loved what Bob Knight said about it. I forget the exact quote, but he basically said that dribbling isn't a good way to move the ball, you have to pass. That pretty much sums up what's wrong with Turgeon's offense. No passing. It's dribble, dribble, dribble around the perimeter until someone decides to turn the ball over or take a bad shot. And when the big guys get the ball underneath the hoop, they opt for layups instead of dunks. They dribble way too much underneath the basket as well, which leads to a ton of turnovers.

 

I get that tonight was just one game, but these have all been problems since Turgeon arrived, and in over 2 years, his teams haven't improved the mental mistakes. I'm getting tired of it. I don't know who the blame goes on (probably some on everyone) but I hate watching sloppy basketball. Make them beat you with talent, don't throw the game away on mental mistakes.


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Posted 05 December 2013 - 01:50 AM

That someone would bash Turgeon and praise Edsall is beyond baffling to me. What bizzaro world am I living in here.


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Posted 05 December 2013 - 04:14 AM

We can talk recruiting classes all day. I think it's awesome that Mark Turgeon and his staff are able to bring in such high-level talent. But unless you can get those guys to play smart basketball as a team, recruiting doesn't matter. I've always been a big Turgeon supporter (minus his horrendous offense), and I think he can do great things here. But he needs to show some progression or he may find himself on the hot seat sooner rather than later.

Yep, one of those you need to be able to recruit (or have assistants who do) and coach. I already said, I think Turgeon will have more pressure next year IMO since he has a top recruiting class and he'll be farther from GW along with it being the first year of the Big 10.

 

And yes I know Allen is injured and they likely win atleast 1-2 more games with him. But like football at some point, you can't use injuries as an excuse -- most teams are going to have to deal with them at some point -- and this isn't even close to as bad as the football situation has been.


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Posted 05 December 2013 - 08:33 AM

Chris, I disagree about there being "unexpected ups and downs". This team has done nothing the past couple of years to make me believe there are "unexpected ups" in our future. They've been fairly consistently mediocre. 






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