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[SonicAttack]

Brady makes the world go round.

[BaltBird 24]

Elite historical teams struggling after losing their HOF QBs.... Pittsburgh, New England, possibly Green Bay.

[NewMarketSean]

Mac Jones is not the guy. He started out promising as a rookie...but it's been downhill since then which is surprising given how much of a "genius" Belichick is.

[BSLChrisStoner]

The Ringer: The Patriots Have Hit Rock Bottom, and There’s No Easy Way Back Up

[Ravens2006]

Mac Jones is not the guy. He started out promising as a rookie...but it's been downhill since then which is surprising given how much of a "genius" Belichick is.

I said it when Brady was still there and I will say it again, but Belichick is just another NFL coach. Maybe he's above average, maybe not, but the genius label has always been ridiculous to me.

His record before Brady was below .500. His record since Brady is about .500. The year they missed the playoffs with Brady was the year Brady went out for the year in week 1 or 2? If Bledsoe doesn't get destroyed and have to leave the game vs the Jets, Brady probably doesn't get a chance to earn a starting job until after Belichick would have likely been fired that following January. Bledsoe had just gotten a big FA deal and would have almost certainly been allowed to play out that season as the 1 no matter their record.

Bledsoe getting hurt saved Belichick's career...

[ivanbalt]

I said it when Brady was still there and I will say it again, but Belichick is just another NFL coach. Maybe he's above average, maybe not, but the genius label has always been ridiculous to me.

His record before Brady was below .500. His record since Brady is about .500. The year they missed the playoffs with Brady was the year Brady went out for the year in week 1 or 2? If Bledsoe doesn't get destroyed and have to leave the game vs the Jets, Brady probably doesn't get a chance to earn a starting job until after Belichick would have likely been fired that following January. Bledsoe had just gotten a big FA deal and would have almost certainly been allowed to play out that season as the 1 no matter their record.

Bledsoe getting hurt saved Belichick's career...

The so called "Patriot Way" worked great when you always had Brady to cover for offense or defense deficiencies and who took discounted contracts later in his career.  If he wanted top dollar every other year like Rodgers that dynasty would have ended 5-10 years early.

 

Josh McDaniels will likely be fired so Belicheck can bring him back next year to try to salvage Mac Jones.

[TwentyThirtyFive]

 The Pats and Steelers, two class organizations, struggles post HOF QBs shows why good QB play, let alone elite QB play, is so valuable. Its why Ive never understood or will ever understand those wanting to let Lamar walk or trade him. We might not win a SB with him. We probably wont win a SB with him. Just like the Bills prob wont win a SB with Allen and Philly prob wont with Hurts and Cincy wont with Burrow. Those are just the odds. Its about having a chance and being a real contender. The Steelers and Pats each drafted two mid 1st Rd QBs who arent complete trash but arent good enough  to win a championship either. Both are lost. Great orgs that generally know how to draft and nurture players. Let it always be a lesson. 

[BSLChrisStoner]

 The Pats and Steelers, two class organizations, struggles post HOF QBs shows why good QB play, let alone elite QB play, is so valuable. Its why Ive never understood or will ever understand those wanting to let Lamar walk or trade him. We might not win a SB with him. We probably wont win a SB with him. Just like the Bills prob wont win a SB with Allen and Philly prob wont with Hurts and Cincy wont with Burrow. Those are just the odds. Its about having a chance and being a real contender. The Steelers and Pats each drafted two mid 1st Rd QBs who arent complete trash but arent good enough  to win a championship either. Both are lost. Great orgs that generally know how to draft and nurture players. Let it always be a lesson. 

Multiple ways to build a winning team.  Jackson's here, and what ever the Ravens achieve, he'll be the primary reason why... but the Ravens absolutely could have moved on and figured it out. 

 

Since we're in the Pats thread... 

 

- They operated last year without even really having an Offensive Coordinator. Not exactly great for Jones' development.

- They spent a ton before last year, with questionable returns. 

- They've had drafting issues for years. 

 

Now where I agree is, 1st round qb's historically have a 50/50 success / flame ratio.  I do think that ratio will increase here on out for a number of reasons; but there will always be flame potential.   And the chances of flaming out greatly increase if you aren't putting the QBs in the best position to be successful.    Utilizing their talents correctly.  

 

Jones and Pickett are the definition of guys you can win games with, but not guys that you win because of. 
The QB of the best team in football right now is Purdy.  He's in that grouping of guys you can win with, not because of too.

Jackson, Allen, Burrow...   maybe Hurts (not totally sure how I feel there, but that's another thread) are on that rare limited list of guys that you win because of. 

Just a lot of different factors in play here; so I understand those that would rather start with having one those short-list guys that are the reasons you win because of.

[TwentyThirtyFive]

I get your point but a Purdy or a Dilfer is rare where you can manage an otherwise great team to a SB win. And honestly Purdy might be pretty darn good. Not sure. Its so much easier when you have the QB and thats why EDC was never gonna let Lamar get away. Its why none of them get away while they are young and in their prime except in very rare instances. Brees. Cousins if you want to count him.

[TwentyThirtyFive]

Despite what you say about more than 1 way to build a team the way the drafts go tells you there is very much a preffered way. QBs always go very early. They are often pushed up draft boards significantly.