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[LanceRinker]

http://baltimorespor...e-joe-saunders/

I decided to take a look at what the market value for Joe Saunders is since the Orioles seem slow moving in getting him locked up.

[SportsGuy]

I continue to be baffled that anyone wants this guy.

No way 3 years.

And I think saying, you know what you will get is wrong.

[LanceRinker]

I continue to be baffled that anyone wants this guy.

No way 3 years.

And I think saying, you know what you will get is wrong.

I didn't say I know what he will get. I said I know what his market value is. Big difference.

[BSLChrisStoner]

I didn't say I know what he will get. I said I know what his market value is. Big difference.

He's referring to performance not salary.

I think you are possibly right on what he gets contract wise (though I ultimately see 2 yrs from someone as much more likely than 3), but like SG; I'd prefer not to sign Saunders at all.

If the O's did sign him, I'd hope it would be for a year only.

[LanceRinker]

He's referring to performance not salary.

I think you are possibly right on what he gets contract wise (though I ultimately see 2 yrs from someone as much more likely than 3), but like SG; I'd prefer not to sign Saunders at all.

If the O's did sign him, I'd hope it would be for a year only.

Oh, well that makes far more sense then.

Sorry, been staring at words and letters on the computer screen for a while during this football game.

I believe that Saunders has enough of a track record that it's safe to say what the possible outcomes are related to his performance.

[SportsGuy]

Oh, well that makes far more sense then.

Sorry, been staring at words and letters on the computer screen for a while during this football game.

I believe that Saunders has enough of a track record that it's safe to say what the possible outcomes are related to his performance.

Yea but what happens in OPACY and in the AL?

On top of that, his FIPs have been high. Who knows, maybe he could be Guthrie and outperform his peripherals but I wouldn't give him anything to find out UNlESS we deal multiple guys but what we have and the presence of Bundy and Gausman mean we shouldn't be shooting for an older, expensive #4 starter...I just don't see any reason to get him outside of wanting someone you believe can eat innings...which he should do.

But I wouldn't pay anything for him to get that.

[LanceRinker]

Yea but what happens in OPACY and in the AL?

On top of that, his FIPs have been high. Who knows, maybe he could be Guthrie and outperform his peripherals but I wouldn't give him anything to find out UNlESS we deal multiple guys but what we have and the presence of Bundy and Gausman mean we shouldn't be shooting for an older, expensive #4 starter...I just don't see any reason to get him outside of wanting someone you believe can eat innings...which he should do.

But I wouldn't pay anything for him to get that.

Yeah, I'd be more comfortable if we signed him to no more than a two year deal but we'd be fine without him.

I think we get out of Britton and/or Matusz what we would get out of Saunders in 2013 anyway (minus the 200 innings).

[SportsGuy]

Yeah, I'd be more comfortable if we signed him to no more than a two year deal but we'd be fine without him.

I think we get out of Britton and/or Matusz what we would get out of Saunders in 2013 anyway (minus the 200 innings).

One thing though...eating innings is important but if all he gives is 180 innings of 4.75-5 ERA, that's not that valuable.

[LanceRinker]

One thing though...eating innings is important but if all he gives is 180 innings of 4.75-5 ERA, that's not that valuable.

Yes, eating innings is important but I think we have enough depth for that five spot (Britton, Matusz, S. Johnson, Arrieta, Wada) that it won't turn into a major issue.

As long as Hammel is healthy then we'll get between 180 and 200 innings out of him. Chen should be able to achieve the same. IF Tillman is for real this time then he's on track to where jumping up to that mark shouldn't be a big deal (he pitched around 160 between the minors and majors last year).

[SportsGuy]

Yes, eating innings is important but I think we have enough depth for that five spot (Britton, Matusz, S. Johnson, Arrieta, Wada) that it won't turn into a major issue.

As long as Hammel is healthy then we'll get between 180 and 200 innings out of him. Chen should be able to achieve the same. IF Tillman is for real this time then he's on track to where jumping up to that mark shouldn't be a big deal (he pitched around 160 between the minors and majors last year).

Totally agree Lance..I think we have a lot of upside on the current staff to eat innings but we need them to be healthy, which is the one "skill" that favors Saunders.

I am all for upgrading this rotation...but I want a real upgrade, which I don't view Saunders as.