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[BSLChrisStoner]

CSN Baltimore: What will the 25 man roster look like?
http://www.csnbaltim...man-roster-look

Dubroff sees the O's resigning Saunders. He also sees Travis Ishikawa making the roster. I don't believe he really fits in.

[Tucker Blair]

He says there is no other MLB ready catcher in the org. If they want a great defender, Brian Ward has been ready for years. He couldn't possibly hit worse than Teagarden did.

I agree with you Chris that Ishikawa just doesn't really fit in right now. I won't be surprised if he makes the team though. That is, unless they go out and pick up someone that is a better option.

Overall though, that list makes sense for the most part. Obviously very tough to predict this stuff on January 1.

[RichardZ]

Brian Ward can't hit AA pitching as well as Teagarden hit's ML pitching. Please!

I agree, I can't see how Ishikawa fits in. Looks like a backup plan for Chris Davis, stashed at AAA.

Obviously, the biggest wildcards are Roberts, Saunders, and any trades made between now and the start of the season.

[SportsGuy]

I continue to wonder where Dubroff comes up with all this stuff.

Really hope we don't get Saunders.

I really believe Porcello is the guy to get and if takes a package where we send either of the JJs, we need to do it.

I think Porcello has TOR possibilities and that is something we need to get done.

[Tucker Blair]

Brian Ward can't hit AA pitching as well as Teagarden hit's ML pitching. Please!

I agree, I can't see how Ishikawa fits in. Looks like a backup plan for Chris Davis, stashed at AAA.

Obviously, the biggest wildcards are Roberts, Saunders, and any trades made between now and the start of the season.

I think Ward could hit .150 at the MLB level. Most guys in the minors can do that.

[RichardZ]

I think Ward could hit .150 at the MLB level. Most guys in the minors can do that.

Wonderful! Teagrarden is 10 times better than Ward. That's how bad Ward is. And that's when Ward was on PED's. Ward had a .592 OPS in AA. You can't seriously be talking about him as a ML backup catcher? Teagarden might not have done much but he had some big hits and flashed a little power. This is a no contest.

[SportsGuy]

Wonderful! Teagrarden is 10 times better than Ward. That's how bad Ward is. And that's when Ward was on PED's. Ward had a .592 OPS in AA. You can't seriously be talking about him as a ML backup catcher? Teagarden might not have done much but he had some big hits and flashed a little power. This is a no contest.

Agreed...but neither should be an option.

Chris Snyder would be/have been a good pick up(not sure if he was signed).

[Tucker Blair]

Wonderful! Teagrarden is 10 times better than Ward. That's how bad Ward is. And that's when Ward was on PED's. Ward had a .592 OPS in AA. You can't seriously be talking about him as a ML backup catcher? Teagarden might not have done much but he had some big hits and flashed a little power. This is a no contest.

Well to start, you don't understand what I am saying.
He said they have nobody that couldn't handle a backup catcher role outside of Exposito. I said they do in Ward if needed. I never once said he was better than Teagarden.
Secondly, Ward is more than capable of being a backup catcher at the MLB level. Considering the fact that half of the catchers at the backup position can't hit anyways, what is any different from him?
Secondly, it's very juvenile to say Ward was on PED's when you don't even know the case or him at all. Not every player suspended did PED's or Cocaine.

I should ask you what you define as a backup catcher?

[RichardZ]

I continue to wonder where Dubroff comes up with all this stuff.

Really hope we don't get Saunders.

I really believe Porcello is the guy to get and if takes a package where we send either of the JJs, we need to do it.

I think Porcello has TOR possibilities and that is something we need to get done.

Obviously, the Tigers don't think so. He certainly has age on his side and I think he's worth a look. I would probably agree with trading either of the J.J.'s for him.

[RichardZ]

He says there is no other MLB ready catcher in the org. If they want a great defender, Brian Ward has been ready for years. He couldn't possibly hit worse than Teagarden did.
I agree with you Chris that Ishikawa just doesn't really fit in right now. I won't be surprised if he makes the team though. That is, unless they go out and pick up someone that is a better option.

Overall though, that list makes sense for the most part. Obviously very tough to predict this stuff on January 1.

I don't understand what you're saying? Brian Ward could not hit as well as Taylor Teagarden. No way! Teagarden has a career .860 OPS in the minors and his ML career OPS of .680 is higher than Ward's minor league OPS of .640. Of course, Ward hasn't even proven he can hit AA pitching yet. Pardon me for thinking that Teagarden is clearly the superior player. That's not saying Teagarden is any great shakes. But, Ward is NOT an option.

As far as Brian Ward and PED's all I remember is that he got suspended. If I recall incorrectly or have the story wrong or don't have the full story, I'm all ears. It's my recollection that he got suspended for PED's this past season.

Apparently, I had it wrong. Ward was suspended 50 games for his second violation for a "drug of abuse". I apologize for the error. I still see nothing to suggest that Ward could provide the same kind of production (using the term losely) that Teagarden did or could in the future.

[SportsGuy]

Obviously, the Tigers don't think so. He certainly has age on his side and I think he's worth a look. I would probably agree with trading either of the J.J.'s for him.

I think Det is making a huge mistake.

To me, this is the type of " gamble" we should be all over.

[FlavaDave10]

Obviously, the Tigers don't think so. He certainly has age on his side and I think he's worth a look. I would probably agree with trading either of the J.J.'s for him.

Oh come on. I'm a huge fan of Rick Porcello, but he's a #3 starter at best. I can't see him as a true TOR guy unless he starts striking out a lot more guys.

[SportsGuy]

Oh come on. I'm a huge fan of Rick Porcello, but he's a #3 starter at best. I can't see him as a true TOR guy unless he starts striking out a lot more guys.

And there is reason to think he could be on his way to doing just that....but I agree, that needs to happen for him to become a TOR guy.

[FlavaDave10]

And there is reason to think he could be on his way to doing just that....but I agree, that needs to happen for him to become a TOR guy.

I'd be willing to trade JJ Hardy plus a fringe prospect or two for Porcello and Peralta. His strikeout rate is improving, but he still has quite a ways to go. The fact that Detroit is overvaluing him isn't helping his cause.

[RichardZ]

Oh come on. I'm a huge fan of Rick Porcello, but he's a #3 starter at best. I can't see him as a true TOR guy unless he starts striking out a lot more guys.

Oh come on, what? Porcello is like 23 years old. Maybe he gets better than he is now?

[FlavaDave10]

Oh come on, what? Porcello is like 23 years old. Maybe he gets better than he is now?

Define what "Top of the Rotation" is to you.

[Tucker Blair]

I don't understand what you're saying? Brian Ward could not hit as well as Taylor Teagarden. No way! Teagarden has a career .860 OPS in the minors and his ML career OPS of .680 is higher than Ward's minor league OPS of .640. Of course, Ward hasn't even proven he can hit AA pitching yet. Pardon me for thinking that Teagarden is clearly the superior player. That's not saying Teagarden is any great shakes. But, Ward is NOT an option.

As far as Brian Ward and PED's all I remember is that he got suspended. If I recall incorrectly or have the story wrong or don't have the full story, I'm all ears. It's my recollection that he got suspended for PED's this past season.

Apparently, I had it wrong. Ward was suspended 50 games for his second violation for a "drug of abuse". I apologize for the error. I still see nothing to suggest that Ward could provide the same kind of production (using the term losely) that Teagarden did or could in the future.

Please tell me where I said he would be better than Teagarden. I didn't say it and I'm not going to allow you to act like I did. Secondly, I not once stated I think Ward should get the role over Teagarden. I said he is a fine option in the minors in case they needed another backup option.

I obviously have a much higher value of Ward's defensive ability over you. I'm not really even going to argue that he isn't capable of handling a backup role. I have seen enough to know he can. I'll take his entire game of great defense and solid gamecalling with the 0-4 or 1-4 a day or two a week.

The thing I don't understand is how you suddenly decided I said he is just as good as Teagarden.

[RichardZ]

Define what "Top of the Rotation" is to you.

First of all, I'm not the one (SG) who thinks he's got a good shot to be a TOR starter. I think he's a solid #4 type who at 23 COULD get better. A top of the rotation guy would be a #1 or #2 starter. Let's say how Hammel pitched in April/May over a full year. Obviously, Verlander is the epitome of a TOR starter. Most pitchers are still in the minors over the course of what has been Porcello's career. From the few times I've seen him, I don't see the secondary stuff of a TOR starter, but then again, this is where is age is intriguing.

[RichardZ]

Please tell me where I said he would be better than Teagarden. I didn't say it and I'm not going to allow you to act like I did. Secondly, I not once stated I think Ward should get the role over Teagarden. I said he is a fine option in the minors in case they needed another backup option.

I obviously have a much higher value of Ward's defensive ability over you. I'm not really even going to argue that he isn't capable of handling a backup role. I have seen enough to know he can. I'll take his entire game of great defense and solid gamecalling with the 0-4 or 1-4 a day or two a week.

The thing I don't understand is how you suddenly decided I said he is just as good as Teagarden.

1. I never said you said he was better
2. I quoted where you said "He can't be any worse than Teagarden"
3. He could be worse than Teagarden and he IS worse than Teagarden
4. To me, "can't be any worse" is pretty much the same as "just as good"
5. I never even talked about Ward's defensive ability, which is always reported as plus
6. People are complaining about Teagrden's offense. Ward's would be offensive.