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[mikezpen]

It's nice to have this problem because they're talented. They gotta go somewhere.

 

I'd use Wells primarily in mid-to-long relief because the Orioles need somebody like that.Their bullpen is mostly 1-inning guys, and w/burn out quickly if they have a couple of starters knocked out early. Wells can give you 3-4 strong innings. He could also be an alternate closer in order to save the arm of our primary guy. And, he's done it before. 

 

I like Hall as a reliever because he can fan people in pressure spots (ghost runner situations come to mind in particular). But he also walks them, so I'm leery of using him in high-leverage situations. He fanned 70 in 49 innings at Norfolk last year-but walked 30 (he did pitch better in his brief Baltimore stint). THEREFORE, I think they s./try him as a starter, first 1) to get the most out of his immense talents and 2) A few early-inning walks may not be as damaging-or fatal- as they would in a 9th inning save appearance.

 

If they can't get a good starter this winter, try Hall instead of signing some hack.

[Mackus]

Both in the pen for me. Wells as the primary fallback option in case of injury or poor performance from one of the top 5 starters.

This of course assumes we add a good SP. If we don't, then Wells is still in the rotation. Hall is strictly a reliever now for me.

[BaltBird 24]

Both are in the pen with high leverage potential.

Wells can't stay healthy as a starter despite his big frame. Plus his stuff has shown to tick up in the pen.

I'm not sold enough on Hall's command to start, but could play up enough to be a power LH arm in the BP.

[dude]

I'm in the "add starter" camp and that pushes both players into the bullpen.

 

Tyler Wells: I really like Wells and he's proven to have the mentality to fill multiple roles. Given the starting 5, he can fill in every high leverage role.  If it's a 1 or 2 run game in the middle innings, I want him for 2.1 innings and get it to the back-end.  He could spot start.  He could close when the Closer has gone back-to-back. It's essentially the role that good starters have done in the Playoffs (all situations are high leverage).  He could get 100-120 innings in that role.

 

There's a day in the near future where being middle relief costs him millions of dollars (versus starting).  I don't know where he is on that.  Ultimately (I keep saying this) but the Orioles are going to win with Talent that wants to be here.  If he came to me and wanted to work something out ("I want the high-leverage RP role"), then I'm in for something like 5/30.  (1M s/b, 2.0, 4.5, 6.5, 8.0, 8.0 plus bonuses for GS, GF and IP).  

[dude]

DL Hall: Hall starts the year in the bullpen.  I can still envision him being a starter, but he just hasn't logged consistent innings to make that jump today.  I think you still have to watch his innings totals in 2024 so bullpen makes sense.  Just use 2024 to build some consistency and mature the body and mind for [success].

 

I discussed this in the Buehler trade thread, but in a condition like that, I'd want to tandem them.  Let Buehler get 5 innings and Hall is pitching 6-7-8.  Slow build both over the course of the season.  Just try and dominate that one game.

 

If Burnes was the SP add, then you have guys like Hall and Povich and others that can compete for the starter role in 2025+ (assuming you don't do something more aggressive with the spot). 

[Mackus]

Ultimately (I keep saying this) but the Orioles are going to win with Talent that wants to be here. If he came to me and wanted to work something out ("I want the high-leverage RP role"), then I'm in for something like 5/30. (1M s/b, 2.0, 4.5, 6.5, 8.0, 8.0 plus bonuses for GS, GF and IP).

You've got 4 more years control of Wells already. A 5-year deal doesn't make a lot of sense for anyone, IMO.

Also, he turns 30 next year. Doesn't seem wise to lock him in to anything.

[BaltBird 24]

I was going to say - Wells got a late start and just now entering arbitration. He won't be a FA until his age 33 season.

I'd go year to year with Wells. Likely we won't need or want him around by the time he's an UFA.

[dude]

You've got 4 more years control of Wells already. A 5-year deal doesn't make a lot of sense for anyone, IMO.

Also, he turns 30 next year. Doesn't seem wise to lock him in to anything.

 

My perspective is always to use contracts to generate endstates.

 

A 5 year deal guarantees him 30M and he buys into a role.

[Mackus]

I don't think guaranteeing money throughout his arb years will be the difference between Wells pitching well or not. Pass on that deal. I'm not so keen on securing Wells' Age 34 season that I'm taking on all the injury or performance risk of the next 4 seasons.

[RichardZ]

My perspective is always to use contracts to generate endstates.
 
A 5 year deal guarantees him 30M and he buys into a role.

He’s basically broken down each of his 3 years pitching here. You have 4 years of year to year contacts. Extend Hays? Extend Wells? Anyone else?

[dude]

Extend Hays? Extend Wells? Anyone else?

 

Sure.  The ideas aren't random.  

[BSLChrisStoner]

Sure. The ideas aren't random.

Not random, but not productive in any manner. These things, talking about getting Schoop...they detract from any other points you make.