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The "delightfully offbeat" Todd Monken, Ravens OC candidate


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#1 BSLJasonBHirschhorn

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Posted 28 January 2023 - 11:48 AM

For those curious about Todd Monken, the Georgia offensive coordinator who interviewed with the Ravens this week, I spent time with him earlier this month during the week of the national championship game. His personality is different than what you might expect from a longtime football coach.

 

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Posted 28 January 2023 - 12:11 PM

That’s an intriguing option given what he got out of Bennett. Who isn’t very talented IMO.
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Posted 28 January 2023 - 02:45 PM

Out of all the OC options so far, Monken would be my choice.  



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Posted 29 January 2023 - 12:04 PM

Wasn't Monken the offensive coordinator with Cleveland a few years back? Now that was under Freddie Kitchens, which was a disaster, but Cleveland's offense wasn't all that despite having Nick Chubb, Jarvis Landry, Kareem Hunt, OBJ and Baker Mayfield in his rookie year. They were something like 22nd overall in scoring, but in fairness, Monken may not have had actual play-calling authority.

 

Still, I'm a little leery of these coaches from Power 5 schools. Hell, you could install almost any offensive system at a place like Georgia because you consistently have the benefit of superior talent. It's not hard to be creative when you essentially have 11 physical education majors going against 11 political science majors. Bigger, stronger and faster athletes are always going to prevail against slightly inferior ones. It doesn't work that way in the NFL.

 

Reminds me of some of these hot-shot college head coaches who flamed out quickly once they got the top job in the pros. How did the Nick Saban era work out in Miami? How about Bud Wilkinson? Lou Holtz? Then there's Steve Spurrier, Bobby Petrino, Butch Davis, Dennis Erickson, and the list goes on and on.


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Posted 29 January 2023 - 12:11 PM

Wasn't Monken the offensive coordinator with Cleveland a few years back? Now that was under Freddie Kitchens, which was a disaster, but Cleveland's offense wasn't all that despite having Nick Chubb, Jarvis Landry, Kareem Hunt, OBJ and Baker Mayfield in his rookie year. They were something like 22nd overall in scoring, but in fairness, Monken may not have had actual play-calling authority.

Still, I'm a little leery of these coaches from Power 5 schools. Hell, you could install almost any offensive system at a place like Georgia because you consistently have the benefit of superior talent. It's not hard to be creative when you essentially have 11 physical education majors going against 11 political science majors. Bigger, stronger and faster athletes are always going to prevail against slightly inferior ones. It doesn't work that way in the NFL.

Reminds me of some of these hot-shot college head coaches who flamed out quickly once they got the top job in the pros. How did the Nick Saban era work out in Miami? How about Bud Wilkinson? Lou Holtz? Then there's Steve Spurrier, Bobby Petrino, Butch Davis, Dennis Erickson, and the list goes on and on.


He was also OC of the Jameis Winston Bucs for 3 years. They seem like they were alright at passing, not running, that could be a personnel thing though. But it’s not like he doesn’t know what they do in the NFL.

I have no real opinion on him.

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Posted 29 January 2023 - 12:30 PM

Wasn't Monken the offensive coordinator with Cleveland a few years back? Now that was under Freddie Kitchens, which was a disaster, but Cleveland's offense wasn't all that despite having Nick Chubb, Jarvis Landry, Kareem Hunt, OBJ and Baker Mayfield in his rookie year. They were something like 22nd overall in scoring, but in fairness, Monken may not have had actual play-calling authority.

 

Still, I'm a little leery of these coaches from Power 5 schools. Hell, you could install almost any offensive system at a place like Georgia because you consistently have the benefit of superior talent. It's not hard to be creative when you essentially have 11 physical education majors going against 11 political science majors. Bigger, stronger and faster athletes are always going to prevail against slightly inferior ones. It doesn't work that way in the NFL.

 

Reminds me of some of these hot-shot college head coaches who flamed out quickly once they got the top job in the pros. How did the Nick Saban era work out in Miami? How about Bud Wilkinson? Lou Holtz? Then there's Steve Spurrier, Bobby Petrino, Butch Davis, Dennis Erickson, and the list goes on and on.


I've seen some Cleveland folks say he basically got railroaded by Freddie Kitchens that season. That guy was clearly way in over his head as a HC.

 

I think Monken has a really strong resume besides that one year, which I can certainly forgive if the above is true. He has considerable NFL and college experience, so I don't think it's really fair to compare him to other strictly college coaches who made the leap to the pros. Like Pete Carroll, for instance. Nick Saban is an objectively incredible coach. But yeah, college and pro ball are very different, no doubt. Recruiting is the name of the game.


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Posted 30 January 2023 - 10:49 PM

Wasn't Monken the offensive coordinator with Cleveland a few years back? Now that was under Freddie Kitchens, which was a disaster, but Cleveland's offense wasn't all that despite having Nick Chubb, Jarvis Landry, Kareem Hunt, OBJ and Baker Mayfield in his rookie year. They were something like 22nd overall in scoring, but in fairness, Monken may not have had actual play-calling authority.

 

Still, I'm a little leery of these coaches from Power 5 schools. Hell, you could install almost any offensive system at a place like Georgia because you consistently have the benefit of superior talent. It's not hard to be creative when you essentially have 11 physical education majors going against 11 political science majors. Bigger, stronger and faster athletes are always going to prevail against slightly inferior ones. It doesn't work that way in the NFL.

 

Reminds me of some of these hot-shot college head coaches who flamed out quickly once they got the top job in the pros. How did the Nick Saban era work out in Miami? How about Bud Wilkinson? Lou Holtz? Then there's Steve Spurrier, Bobby Petrino, Butch Davis, Dennis Erickson, and the list goes on and on.

 

Todd Monken didn't call the plays during his season in Cleveland. The Browns would probably have performed much better if Freddie Kitchens had delegated those responsibilities.


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Posted 30 January 2023 - 10:50 PM

He was also OC of the Jameis Winston Bucs for 3 years. They seem like they were alright at passing, not running, that could be a personnel thing though. But it’s not like he doesn’t know what they do in the NFL.

I have no real opinion on him.

 

FWIW, Todd Monken didn't call plays for the Buccaneers until 2018.


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Posted 31 January 2023 - 06:20 AM

Wasn't Monken the offensive coordinator with Cleveland a few years back? Now that was under Freddie Kitchens, which was a disaster, but Cleveland's offense wasn't all that despite having Nick Chubb, Jarvis Landry, Kareem Hunt, OBJ and Baker Mayfield in his rookie year. They were something like 22nd overall in scoring, but in fairness, Monken may not have had actual play-calling authority.

 

Still, I'm a little leery of these coaches from Power 5 schools. Hell, you could install almost any offensive system at a place like Georgia because you consistently have the benefit of superior talent. It's not hard to be creative when you essentially have 11 physical education majors going against 11 political science majors. Bigger, stronger and faster athletes are always going to prevail against slightly inferior ones. It doesn't work that way in the NFL.

 

Reminds me of some of these hot-shot college head coaches who flamed out quickly once they got the top job in the pros. How did the Nick Saban era work out in Miami? How about Bud Wilkinson? Lou Holtz? Then there's Steve Spurrier, Bobby Petrino, Butch Davis, Dennis Erickson, and the list goes on and on.

 

This is the same argument I made against MacDonald.  The guy had the benefit of coaching Michigan's defense.  He really didn't have to coach much because of the talent gap he had in just about every game.  

 

I like this guy from Georgia, but the same thing could apply.  I'm pretty sure it won't be as easy as playing TCU in every NFL game.  



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Posted 31 January 2023 - 08:23 AM

That argument holds zero water in the SEC. And when Stetson Bennett is your QB. IMHO.

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Posted 31 January 2023 - 08:52 AM

Somewhere between those extremes (Georgia could run any offense because of talent difference vs. holds no water in the SEC) would be my position.  

There is talent throughout the SEC, but Georgia has had considerably more than most.   

 

I'd lean towards Ricker's point, because basically the entire SEC West is in the Top 25 in overall talent.

 

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