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#1 BSLChrisStoner

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Posted 18 April 2021 - 10:45 AM

15 of Europe's biggest clubs are in talks to launch a $6 billion Super League, planned to start in time for the 2023-24 season, sources have told 
 
 
 

 



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Posted 18 April 2021 - 10:46 AM

ESPN: Man United, Liverpool among clubs in $6 billion European Super League talks - sources

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Posted 18 April 2021 - 11:07 AM

EPL has already come out against said super league. Not sure how I feel about this.  Well yes I do. Not a fan or at least I would have to see the details on how they would interact with the current domestic leagues.

 

Who gets to play in this Super League and how is that determined? Is it just buy your way in or do you have to actually earn your way in?

 

Would there be relegation between the Super League and the domestic leagues?

 

Would Champions League go away? Europa League?

 

So many issues.....



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Posted 18 April 2021 - 11:51 AM

So I have looked at this a bit and its the same stuff that's been proposed previously. It would be outside the confines of UEFA and FIFA. FIFA in meetings this weekend to decide what they would do about this but the possible sanctions they have talked about before are HUGE. Teams playing in the ESL would:

 

1. Banned from playing in their domestic league.

2. Banned from playing in Cup tournaments like UCL.

 

and the biggie for the US.

3. Players would be banned from playing for their national teams.



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Posted 18 April 2021 - 01:22 PM

The banned from national teams thing is interesting, how much less interest/ratings would the World Cup get if France had no Mbappe, Griezmann, Argentina didn't have Messi, etc?

 

I feel like it'd be a test of how much people watch the World Cup for the spirit of the competition vs. seeing the best players on the global stage. 



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Posted 18 April 2021 - 07:36 PM

The banned from national teams thing is interesting, how much less interest/ratings would the World Cup get if France had no Mbappe, Griezmann, Argentina didn't have Messi, etc?

 

I feel like it'd be a test of how much people watch the World Cup for the spirit of the competition vs. seeing the best players on the global stage. 

 

I think it might be the other way around, whether FIFA would really go as far as to ban the world's biggest stars from its signature event. Kinda seems like cutting off your nose to spite your face.



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Posted 18 April 2021 - 07:54 PM

Would there be relegation between the Super League and the domestic leagues?

 

This came from ESPN.


 

ESPN has been told by a person familiar with the blueprint that the proposed framework involves a total of 20 teams, with 15 permanent members who cannot be relegated.

A further five teams will be rotated in and out of the competition, based on performance, but the permanent members will include six Premier League clubs, three from La Liga, three from Italy's Serie A, two from the Bundesliga and one from France's Ligue 1.



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Posted 18 April 2021 - 08:03 PM

I think it might be the other way around, whether FIFA would really go as far as to ban the world's biggest stars from its signature event. Kinda seems like cutting off your nose to spite your face.

Yes but the problem is a league outside FIFA bounds wouldn't have to release players for national team duty. With the kind of money they are talking about would say Man U release a player for a FIFA tournament? They get no value from that but a huge risk if an injury occurs.  This would be a giant mess.

 

Besides. We already have a Super League. Its called UCL.


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Posted 18 April 2021 - 08:08 PM

Yes but the problem is a league outside FIFA bounds wouldn't have to release players for national team duty. With the kind of money they are talking about would say Man U release a player for a FIFA tournament? They get no value from that but a huge risk if an injury occurs.  This would be a giant mess.

 

Besides. We already have a Super League. Its called UCL.

 

The flip side is whether players would join the league if they know they won't be able to play for their national team?

 

Of course with $6B in seed money, the league might be able to pay them just enough to assuage their grief over not being able to play.


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Posted 18 April 2021 - 08:13 PM

As a college football fan, this all sounds very familiar. (Power 5 conferences ditching the NCAA to use their brand power to make more money they have to split fewer ways)


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Posted 18 April 2021 - 08:14 PM

CBS Sports: European Super League: Latest breakaway announcement news; FIFA, UEFA, Premier League reaction; who's in, out

https://www.cbssport...on-whos-in-out/

 

ESPN: Man United, Juventus, Real Madrid confirm plans to participate in Super League
https://www.espn.com...in-super-league

 

Twelve of Europe's top clubs announced on Sunday they were launching a breakaway Super League, headed by Real Madrid president Florentino Perez.

AC MilanArsenalAtletico MadridChelseaBarcelonaInternazionaleJuventusLiverpoolManchester CityManchester United, Real Madrid and Tottenham Hotspur have all joined as founding clubs, the statements added.



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Posted 18 April 2021 - 08:19 PM

The flip side is whether players would join the league if they know they won't be able to play for their national team?

 

Of course with $6B in seed money, the league might be able to pay them just enough to assuage their grief over not being able to play.

They could also try to organize a tournament just from the people in the super league, maybe. If PSG eventually joins, I'm pretty sure you can make a squad of 18 French guys just spread across City, Barca, etc, same with some of the other biggest nationalities 



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Posted 18 April 2021 - 09:28 PM

I'm curious how the TV rights holders will react to this, I can't imagine CBS shelled out all that money to televise a final of Atalanta vs Lyon with the other semifinalists being Leverkusen and Everton 



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Posted 19 April 2021 - 08:13 AM

ESPN: UEFA and leagues vow to fight breakaway European Super League: What this means

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Posted 19 April 2021 - 08:43 AM

Players are being overlooked here. They will push against this.
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Posted 19 April 2021 - 02:32 PM

Players are being overlooked here. They will push against this.

 

Forgive my complete ignorance here, but are the players in any of the leagues over there unionized?



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Posted 19 April 2021 - 05:09 PM

Forgive my complete ignorance here, but are the players in any of the leagues over there unionized?

 

In England it's the PFA (Professional Footballers Association).  Less powerful than what you think of the MLBPA or NFLPA over here and more of an advisory board.  Seem focused on helping players after retirement and other things besides fighting the owners.  Their problems are different over there.  They've released a statement against the Super League, FWIW

 

FIFPro is the international one.



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Posted 19 April 2021 - 06:01 PM

Sounds like even the governments over there are making statements against this. (and future monarchs too) Whoever joins this league is going to be short on friends....but with all the money they'll have I suppose they could buy a few.

 

It also sounds like some US-based owners are among the driving forces behind this, namely the Glazers (Man U and Tampa Bay Bucs), Stan Kroenke (Arsenal and LA Rams), and John Henry (Liverpool and Boston Red Sox). Being owners of multiple pro sports franchises they no doubt absorbed significant losses over the past year.



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Posted 19 April 2021 - 06:43 PM

Only 12-confirmed members that have been named so far, out of 20 members (15 permanent) they hope to get. Notably the biggest names in Bundesliga have said they have no intention of leaving the ECA and renounced the new league. I would think not having names like Bayern Munich, Dortmund and Leipzig as a part of this would be a hit to the SL's star power....not to mention the absence of any team from Europe's most populated country and largest economy.



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Posted 19 April 2021 - 06:56 PM

Sounds like even the governments over there are making statements against this. (and future monarchs too) Whoever joins this league is going to be short on friends....but with all the money they'll have I suppose they could buy a few.

It also sounds like some US-based owners are among the driving forces behind this, namely the Glazers (Man U and Tampa Bay Bucs), Stan Kroenke (Arsenal and LA Rams), and John Henry (Liverpool and Boston Red Sox). Being owners of multiple pro sports franchises they no doubt absorbed significant losses over the past year.


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