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[Mackus]

Watkins has had 2 good games this year (including today). Invisible the rest of the time. I'm not sure he's a great example of a big playmaking WR. Maclin is better, IMO.

Totally agree that we need better weapons. Should be the primary target in the draft. Specifically WR but I'd strongly consider any offensive skill position.

[Pedro Cerrano]

Watkins has had 2 good games this year (including today). Invisible the rest of the time. I'm not sure he's a great example of a big playmaking WR. Maclin is better, IMO.

Totally agree that we need better weapons. Should be the primary target in the draft. Specifically WR but I'd strongly consider any offensive skill position.

He’s definitely talented enough to be an elite WR. hurt a decent amount tho

[Mackus]

Pedigree and athleticism is certainly there but he never really has done all that much even when healthy. If the Ravens had taken him, I think we would be lumping him into the Travis Taylor and Mark Clayton big disappointment pile. Perriman is a whole extra level of bust than any of those guys.

Definitely need to get some new skill talent offensively.

[RShack]

Speaking of Tennessee... it was good to see Tee Martin up in the booth for USC...  he's the guy who's National Championship made Tenn fans (almost) forget Peyton before his locker was fully emptied   

[Roll Tide]

He may have been referring to himself... but it would sound better if he had said I vs. we.

He doesn't deserve all the blame! I'm sick and tired of seeing passes hit guys in the chest for drops and ricochet off our players right to the defensive player.

[BSLChrisStoner]

He doesn't deserve all the blame! I'm sick and tired of seeing passes hit guys in the chest for drops and ricochet off our players right to the defensive player.

 

I'm not blaming him directly here John.

I'm saying the QB, the guy with the contract...  in the press, I want him to say "I need to play better vs. we."  That's it.

Despite his statistics, overall I don't think he's been horrible this year. He's dealing with a poor line, and average weapons.

The 2nd pick today irritated me, as he locked on the WR, staring him down... and limiting himself to that option only....   but w/e.

Mechanically he's been a mess for 2 years imo, but I actually think in the last 2-3 weeks we've seen some improvement. He's stepping into more throws.

 

[Mike B]

He doesn't deserve all the blame! I'm sick and tired of seeing passes hit guys in the chest for drops and ricochet off our players right to the defensive player.

I went back to everyone of his picks and 4 of them have been on the button passes that our hands of stone receivers have volley balled up into the air.

Joe makes bad passes but he gets very little help.

The only pick in his last four that bothered me was the dumb pass  at the beginning of the second half.   That was a pure frustration throw.

[Mackus]

I went back to everyone of his picks and 4 of them have been on the button passes that our hands of stone receivers have volley balled up into the air.

Joe makes bad passes but he gets very little help.

The only pick in his last four that bothered me was the dumb pass  at the beginning of the second half.   That was a pure frustration throw.

 

His first pick Sunday was a bad throw as well.  Underthrown.  Perriman (or a competent WR) still needs to at least fight for it and prevent it from getting picked, and perhaps even catch it, but there is no doubt that it was a bad throw.  Not 100% on Joe but also not 100% blame-free.

[SportsGuy]

That wasn’t a bad throw.

It maybe could have been better but it wasn’t bad.

The second InT was a bad throw and a bad decision.

I think we have to give a lot of credit to Logan Ryan for the play he made on the first INT.

[Mackus]

It was several yards underthrown.  That's a bad throw. 

[JordanKough]

What it was, was a bad route combo. You get single high and your run two routes one up the middle and one up the seam. 3 defenders in the area as a result. It needs to be a single deep route, so there isn't so much congestion up there. I think someone ran the wrong route on that one, honestly. 

 

I thought it was underthrown a bit, but I wouldn't say badly so. And I'd rather Joe under throw that a bit with the safety there and let there be a chance to get a play on it or a PI than just throw it into nowhere CF. 

 

But if we're going to ping Joe for the second deep throw, I thought the first one was great. Right in a spot where Perriman if he didn't have stone hands could have legitimately gone and made a catch in traffic...

[SportsGuy]

Everyone go to twitter and find the recent Flacco tweets by @abukari

Sorry I don’t know how to put videos on here but it was a few angles of one play and shows everything wrong with Joe.

[bnickle]

Everything with Flacco is slow. Literally. His footwork, his release, his ability to process, his timing on passes, his mobility(now), his 2 min drill. Literally everything. I wasn't lying the other day when I said OldFans post has become reality. He used the word sloth to describe Flacco. Completely accurate.

[bnickle]

Btw appreciate guys who breakdown coaches film. Wish I could go back through and watch it just for amateur analysis. Some things are easy to see. Mack is 100% right that the Perriman ball was underthrown. The trail DB was in decent position but there is no way the CB who peeled off and tipped the ball does that if the ball is further out in front

[SportsGuy]

Joe is just totally unaware. That’s my issue with him. I can let several of the other things go by. The lack of awareness is what makes me want to move on from him
Soon.

The play where Buck Allen was wide open before the snap is a perfect illustration of that.

That has nothing to do with a bad line, poor playmakers or anything like that. That is Joe already looking one way and he hasn’t even snapped the ball. He isn’t reading everything.

If that was Brady, the snap is out fast, the pass is thrown and the guy is in the end zone before you even have a chance to call a timeout.

[JordanKough]

Joe is just totally unaware. That’s my issue with him. I can let several of the other things go by. The lack of awareness is what makes me want to move on from him
Soon.

The play where Buck Allen was wide open before the snap is a perfect illustration of that.

That has nothing to do with a bad line, poor playmakers or anything like that. That is Joe already looking one way and he hasn’t even snapped the ball. He isn’t reading everything.

If that was Brady, the snap is out fast, the pass is thrown and the guy is in the end zone before you even have a chance to call a timeout.

 

I think this might be unfair. There are plenty of QBs that miss open guys regularly. And Brady plays in a system that regularly tries to create this mismatches and look for them. They use a lot of no huddle and different players in different formations to find open looks, that is to say, he's always looking for these opportunities because the coaching is designed to create an exploit them. 

 

Brady, is also somewhat the exception vs the rule. There are other good to very good QBs that might miss this too. Though Brady / Rodgers would not. 

 

If you want to compare Joe to Brady fine, but he's never going to be that, and no one should reasonably accept that. 

[BSLZackKiesel]

Everyone go to twitter and find the recent Flacco tweets by @abukari

Sorry I don’t know how to put videos on here but it was a few angles of one play and shows everything wrong with Joe.

Definitely a lot of good looks there. It's a pretty simple route combination. Outside WRs run comebacks, TE runs a dig, RB hooks underneath. Titans run a Cover 3 5-man zone blitz off the weak side, which leaves the field corner as the only defender on the left side of the field.

 

Comebacks are better to run against man, but if you run them against zone your primary concern is the underneath guys in the flat undercutting the route. Joe has to know that the defense is leaving the entire left side open underneath by blitzing, so the field corner has to give Wallace a soft zone. He shouldn't even be looking at Maclin, much less staring him down.

[JordanKough]

Definitely a lot of good looks there. It's a pretty simple route combination. Outside WRs run comebacks, TE runs a dig, RB hooks underneath. Titans run a Cover 3 5-man zone blitz off the weak side, which leaves the field corner as the only defender on the left side of the field.

 

Comebacks are better to run against man, but if you run them against zone your primary concern is the underneath guys in the flat undercutting the route. Joe has to know that the defense is leaving the entire left side open underneath by blitzing, so the field corner has to give Wallace a soft zone. He shouldn't even be looking at Maclin, much less staring him down.

 

My problem is this is exactly what MM should be saying into Joe's ear before the play. If Joe can't read this, someone needs to tell him this. Or he's getting bad support from coaching to look for it. 

 

Our coaches should be able to ID what people are doing to confuse Joe and put him in a much better position to read these situations along the way, IMO. 

 

Also, there's a little bit of hindsight around these. What coverages were the Titans running all game? Where were the nuances to the base package here, etc?

 

That being said, I agree with all the criticism, but this stuff isn't so unpredictable that our coaches shouldn't be doing a better job of preparing Joe for this stuff. Yes, he's bad at it, but you have coaching to specifically compensate for things your players (and particularly your QB) are bad at.