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#1 BSLChrisStoner

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Posted 09 March 2016 - 10:04 AM

Apparently Jeff Van Gundy (ESPN) recently suggested he'd like to see instant replay eliminated in all sports.

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I was once a huge proponent of more instant replay, and getting the call 'right'...    but now, I'm not totally opposed to eliminating replay in sports.

Slows down the games too much imo, and even with the benefit of x amount of reviews... sometimes we still see either incorrect calls, or just a level of inconclusiveness.



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Posted 09 March 2016 - 10:07 AM

Here's what you do with Baseball.  Give the manager 10 seconds after a play/call to decide if you want to challenge a call.  No more standing around and stalling while your video guys decide if it's worth challenging.   Furthermore give the umps 60 seconds to look at it, if it's not clear after that then the initial call stands.



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Posted 09 March 2016 - 10:28 AM

I'd get rid of all the challenges.  Let the umps/refs/officials decide if they need to review it or not, perhaps helped by a guy up in the press box watching on TV who could signal down to them. 

 

I totally am on board with getting the calls right.  It was one thing back when cameras and TVs sucked and you could never easily be able to determine if a call was right or wrong.  But we can know for certain on about 75% of all close calls, and about 99% of all calls in general.  Deciding a game, or a championship, on a call you know is clearly wrong would be a travesty, well worth a few seconds figuring out how if the call is right or wrong.

 

Figure out a way to get the review process done more efficiently, for sure.  But eliminating replay all-together is a fucking terrible idea.


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Posted 09 March 2016 - 10:44 AM

The biggest thing is saving time.  The NFL rules about basically everything being under review is ridiculous.

 

Fumble, review, TD, review, under two minutes out of bounds call, review.  Add in the commercials after every score or change of possession and it's mind numbing.

 

I honestly would rather not have replay if they can't make it more efficient.


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Posted 09 March 2016 - 11:24 AM

The NFL cant help itself. They put together a committee of HOFers to decide what a catch is, and they likely still won't resolve it this off season. If the rules were black and white, like two hands on the ball and two feet down is a catch, then a review would take 5 seconds. 

 

Don't have NFL refs go under the hood anymore. When reviewing scores they don't, and it takes a few seconds while the network is showing replays anyway, sometimes you don't even notice a review was going on. 

 

Baseball isn't terrible. It takes 10 seconds for a manager to get confirmation from his guy. In the past a manager would come out and argue for a minute or two and nothing would change. I honestly thought it would be worse before it came to be, like managers would stall to get a bullpen arm warm, but it really is the most effective, efficient way to do replay. Less than 10 seconds to challenge, a central hub reviews it and tells the ump what the deal is. The ump signals a call and play continues. 

 

The NFL wants to go under hoods, explain everything like it has to hold up in court or something. Umpire will signal and thats it. Refs take 30 seconds of BS to get to the point. "After reviewing the previous play..." Yeah, we know what you are referring to. Get on with it. 

 

Basketball, I don't get why they go to the replay late in games for everything, but not during the rest of the game. They also huddle around the smallest television in the world to look at the tiniest details, like a toe on a line, or a ball off a finger tip.  

 

Ultimately, it needs to come down to accountability. When a ref blatantly blows a call after watching a replay, they need to be penalized. Because the only excuse is like that scene from Casino. When the one guy allows 3 machines to payout jackpots. He's either in on the scam, or too dumb to see it, and either way he can't work here. 


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Posted 09 March 2016 - 09:11 PM

I'd get rid of all the challenges.  Let the umps/refs/officials decide if they need to review it or not, perhaps helped by a guy up in the press box watching on TV who could signal down to them. 

 

A million times this.

 

Get an extra official in the booth, give them the power to at least call for a review, and tell them that missed calls will carry penalties for the whole crew.


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Posted 23 August 2016 - 07:12 PM

Every night there is some prolonged break in the action.



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Posted 23 August 2016 - 07:14 PM

Every night there is some prolonged break in the action.

Sucks. In baseball I'd be okay with it going. I do want an automated strike zone and foul/fair, but that won't slow the game down. NFL officiating is horrendous, gotta have the replay there. Same with college football. Basketball is another sport I'd be okay scrapping it. There's another alleged "major" sport in America but it's escaping me right now.

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Posted 23 August 2016 - 07:18 PM

Keep it. Make it faster. It shouldn't be that hard.
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Posted 23 August 2016 - 07:21 PM

The needlessly long delays are BS... that needs to be fixed...

 

You don't kill a program just because something needs to be fixed...

 

Arguing that you need to kill something just because it's imperfect and needs fixing is a disease of modern times...


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Posted 23 August 2016 - 07:24 PM

Sucks. In baseball I'd be okay with it going. I do want an automated strike zone and foul/fair, but that won't slow the game down. NFL officiating is horrendous, gotta have the replay there. Same with college football. Basketball is another sport I'd be okay scrapping it. There's another alleged "major" sport in America but it's escaping me right now.

 

Don't we have laser/motion-sensor technology that can pick up if a baseball goes over the base (or over the pole)? Same thing in football at the goal line.

 

Feel like this is such an easy fix that would get rid of a decent amount of reviews.



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Posted 23 August 2016 - 07:25 PM

You get it right. It is that simple. The thought, the idea of subjectivity when there is a way to be objective kills me. Baffles me that people could want any inkling of subjectivity. Get it right 100% of the time

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Posted 23 August 2016 - 07:28 PM

You get it right. It is that simple. The thought, the idea of subjectivity when there is a way to be objective kills me. Baffles me that people could want any inkling of subjectivity. Get it right 100% of the time

 


It would be a lot more tolerable, if they operated within the standards that are supposed to exist.  (i.e the time spent...)



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Posted 23 August 2016 - 07:30 PM

I don't care if it takes all night. Get it right. Would drive me crazy to no end losing a game on a clearly incorrect call. Just because it used to be that way is no excuse anymore

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Posted 23 August 2016 - 07:37 PM

Assuming NY is ready to go, it oughta be something like 15 sec or the call stands...  (15 is arbitrary and negotiable...)


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Posted 23 August 2016 - 07:38 PM

It shouldn't be hard. When the tag is put on, freeze it. If he's not on the base, he's out. Then watch the rest to make sure he doesn't leave the base.

We have sent a monkey to Pluto. We can do this.

There is baseball, and occasionally there are other things of note

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Posted 23 August 2016 - 09:06 PM


It would be a lot more tolerable, if they operated within the standards that are supposed to exist.  (i.e the time spent...)

 

The issue is the stupid BS "manager challenge" part of it. Since not only are they the ones who have to initiate the request, but they have a limit (technically; asking for a crew challenge not withstanding), they take up the time just deciding whether or not to challenge.

 

Just run it out of New York, or a fifth umpire in the park (as I and others said earlier in the thread), give them a hard time limit and penalties for letting bad calls go uncorrected, and things will get better.


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Posted 23 August 2016 - 09:39 PM

Get it right, all the time. The time isn't a huge deal. But they aren't efficient enough. The problem is when they are blatantly wrong and there is no accountability. 95% of the calls you can tell from one angle what the right call is. Once you see that angle, thats it. Forget the other angles, make the call, move on.
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Posted 24 August 2016 - 11:17 AM

The time may not matter to many of you, but it matters a great deal to Joe Average Fan, which is the more important consideration.  Baseball games deserved or not already have a reputation for being slow in a society that only wants to keep going faster.  And I'm not saying you change the game, but you have to find a way to make replay happen faster.  If you can't figure it out in 30 seconds, move on.



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Posted 24 August 2016 - 11:20 AM

There is never a reason to not get it right.




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