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#41 BSLMikeLowe

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Posted 22 November 2017 - 11:48 AM

Yep, it would open things to large corporations paying kickbacks to voting members in order to secure their market share and make it impossible for any new players to break into the group, which lets them raise prices and gouge us.

 

Imagine having to pay $4.99 per month just to be able to access BSL or FB. And then another $4.99 per month if you want to use Gmail. Want to watch Netflix? Yep another $4.99 per month and that's with a data cap.

 

Sigh...nothing good comes from this, but as large corporate america is in office right now, those big companies and anyone with money behind the scenes (Oil, guns, utilities etc) are throwing money at everyone and buying every outcome.

 

People laughed in the 80's when an Actor became president, but that pales to putting a Corporate Shrew in office.

 

This can end up being a two-way toll too. Let's say AT&T offers all those separate data packages for things like Facebook, YouTube, Netflix, etc., plus one more separate package to access miscellaneous sites like BSL. But Comcast decides to go the other way and says to Chris, "If you want our customers to be able to access your site at regular speeds per their plan, that'll cost you $_____ per month. Otherwise they will have to settle for dial-up speeds."

 

This could really be a mess, and as always it's the smaller enterprises that will get hurt.


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Posted 22 November 2017 - 11:52 AM

I don’t think there’s anything wrong with wanting less govt control. They usually fuck things up. I’m all for it.

But there still has to be regulations in place that make sense for everyone.

Now, there is always another side to things. I don’t know enough about this to know what that Other side is but I’m 100% sure there are positives that will come from this.

 

Don't be, this isn't a free market kinda thing, this is the opposite of that, the major players are the only ones that win.


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Posted 22 November 2017 - 12:17 PM

Don't be, this isn't a free market kinda thing, this is the opposite of that, the major players are the only ones that win.

 

The argument among the ISPs is that net-neutrality prevents them from investing in upgrading their networks and other innovation. Funny thing about that though....since the current version of net neutrality went into effect in 2015, the ISPs have been telling their investors that net-neutrality isn't holding them back at all.

 

  • In December 2015, AT&T’s CEO told investors that the company would “deploy more fiber” in 2016 than it did in 2015 and that Title II would not impede its future business plans.

  • In December 2016, Comcast’s chief financial officer admitted to investors that any concerns it had about reclassification were based only on “the fear of what Title II could have meant, more than what it actually meant.”

  • That same month, Charter’s CEO told investors, “Title II, it didn’t really hurt us; it hasn’t hurt us.”

  • Just a few days after the election, Cablevision and Suddenlink’s parent company Altice reaffirmed its plan to deploy FTTH [fiber-to-the-home] service to all of its customers and told investors that it remained “focused on upgrading our broadband networks to drive increases in broadband speeds and better customer experience.”


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Posted 22 November 2017 - 12:37 PM

Oliver did a good piece on this a while back.

 

This is not cool, not cool at all. 

 

 


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Posted 23 November 2017 - 12:51 AM

Investigation of fake net neutrality foes stymied by FCC, N.Y. attorney general says

http://www.baltimore...1122-story.html
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Posted 23 November 2017 - 06:44 AM

A list of the money Republican Congressmen have accepted from the telecom industry...

 

https://www.theverge...ivacy-fire-sale



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Posted 23 November 2017 - 09:00 AM

Not fucking cool

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Posted 23 November 2017 - 12:24 PM

Nothing's gonna get better until there's an amendment that bans contributions by anybody to any campaign... including a rich guy contributing to his own campaign... until that happens, the same pattern will not only continue, it will get worse... the number of big donors will coalesce around 6 industries and a similar number of billionaires...


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Posted 23 November 2017 - 01:32 PM

Nothing's gonna get better until there's an amendment that bans contributions by anybody to any campaign... including a rich guy contributing to his own campaign... until that happens, the same pattern will not only continue, it will get worse... the number of big donors will coalesce around 6 industries and a similar number of billionaires...

 

These are the 6 industries who have bought the US gov't:

 

* Financials: Big banks and Wall St

 

* Healthcare, For-profit hospital chains, Health Insurance and Pharmaceuticals\

 

* Military-supply: not people who enlist, they get screwed.; this is about the expensive toys the Pentagon buys whether they want them or not.

 

* Telecom:  internet, media, and connectivity in general

 

* Agribiz:  the traditional family farm is already a dead duck, but they roll that phrase out to justify taxpayers supporting big agricultural corp's who have been making our food less good but more profitable for themselves

 

* Energy: mainly oil

 

The handful of billionaires who also buy Congress are sprinkled throughout these 6...


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Posted 14 December 2017 - 01:41 PM

Damn, there goes net neutrality.  Apparently it could end up in courts or congress (ha) but that remains to be seen.



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Posted 14 December 2017 - 02:55 PM

Damn, there goes net neutrality.  Apparently it could end up in courts or congress (ha) but that remains to be seen.

 

Nice to see how they listened to the people on this one.  :roll:

 

I don't think the courts are going to lead to a favorable outcome (at least if you are pro net-neutrality). And forget about Congress.

 

Have to just hope for the best....but the fate of the internet as we know it now lies completely in the hands of the ISPs.



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Posted 14 December 2017 - 06:06 PM

Damn, there goes net neutrality.  Apparently it could end up in courts or congress (ha) but that remains to be seen.

 

I wonder who sent the *millions* of fake comments in support of ending Net Neutrality?   Via *bulk uploads* fer chrisakes... 

 

https://arstechnica....ality-comments/

 

https://arstechnica....ed-against-fcc/

 

While AT&T claims that most "legitimate" net neutrality comments favor repeal, a study funded by ISPs found that 98.5 percent of individually written net neutrality comments support the US' current net neutrality rules.

 

Remember, the end of Net Neutrality is all about FREEDOM™... the freedom of mega-corporations to screw regular people....


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Posted 14 December 2017 - 06:09 PM

I wonder if this is something that drags on in courts long enough that it gets to the next election.

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Posted 14 December 2017 - 11:52 PM

This is disgusting that net neutrality was stripped from us against the will of the people.



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Posted 15 December 2017 - 12:07 AM

NY-state AG talks to Chris Hayes about his lawsuit (with other state AG's) to protect Net Neutrality:

 

He says the administration hasn't followed the law in doing this.... his part starts 2 minutes into the segment....

 

http://www.msnbc.com...t-1117045315686


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Posted 15 December 2017 - 09:29 AM

Apparently there is a website that set up a searchable list of the public comments pro- and anti-net neutrality, and people are already finding the names of dead relatives who commented multiple times using canned language.


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Posted 25 January 2018 - 02:29 AM


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Posted 10 May 2018 - 11:59 AM

TechCrunch: Net Neutrality will officially die on June 11th



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Posted 10 May 2018 - 01:44 PM

TechCrunch: Net Neutrality will officially die on June 11th

 

Because they think the Founding Fathers wanted to protect the Freedom™ of big corporations to screw you....


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Posted 10 May 2018 - 06:53 PM

This is why millionaires and billionaires pay so much to own those morons in Washington.






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