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#461 BSLMikeLowe

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Posted 03 August 2023 - 12:25 PM

Here's where things stand at this moment as far as I can tell:

 

- The Arizona Board of Regents have a meeting later today to discuss athletics issues. The AZ board actually oversees both Arizona and Arizona State (as well as Northern Arizona), and per a couple sources it sounds like the board wants the two schools to stick together, wherever that may be. That's big, because it's believed ASU is much more inclined to stay in the Pac. If Arizona left for the Big 12 alone, the conference could theoretically survive. If both schools go, probably not.

 

- There's been little sound coming out of Utah. The sense is they strongly prefer to remain part of the Pac-12, since they've won 2 straight conference titles and would be well positioned to land an automatic berth once the expanded CFP begins next year. They also have been happy with the Pac for non-sports reasons....since joining they have become AAU members and have seen their research investment money jump significantly. There's concern the less academic-focused Big 12 could harm that progress. Still, sense is if both Arizona schools go, Utah would have little choice but to join them.

 

- UW scheduled a short-notice board meeting for tonight. Little details on the topic, but I think we can guess.

 

- The Big Ten has set its sights on Oregon and Washington. The presidents have authorized Tony Pettite to explore adding them. The conference already did extensive vetting of them last year, and decided to pass because the networks did not want to pay pro rata to add them. That is certainly still the case, but what has likely changed is that OR/WA would now be much more willing to come in at a partial share than they were before. Whether there is a meeting point between what OR/WA would accept and what the networks would pay remains to be seen....if we even get that far. The Big Ten will not make the first move. They'll only act on OR/WA if the Arizona schools and Utah leave, essentially killing the conference.

 

- Doesn't sound like there is any serious talk on the Big Ten adding Cal and Stanford. Despite their presence in a large market, the networks see little value in them, even if they took a partial share like OR/WA. The talk around them seemed to be that they appealed to the Big Ten for non-monetary reasons. They're elite academic schools, in the shadow of Silicon Valley (where a lot of Big Ten alumni are) and it is believed having six West Coast schools opens up scheduling options that could result in fewer trips west for the current members, versus just 2 or 4 west coast schools. But as is typically the case, money probably wins, and the Bay Area schools could be left out.

 

- It sounds like adding OR/WA could require another TV partner to join in the mix, which seems odd to me. I would figure between Fox, NBC, CBS, FS1, BTN and Peacock, they could absorb the extra game inventory two new schools could bring. But maybe there just isn't enough money there for even partial shares, so they have to find someone else. (how ironic would it be if it were Apple?)

 

- Nothing new on FSU/ACC. It seems like the Seminoles' hissy fit in their trustees meeting yesterday was all for show. It is not apparent right now that even if they were to try and escape the ACC's grant of rights that they would have a landing spot. The Big Ten is focused west right now. And if the ACC ever does come undone it is thought the B1G would prefer UVA, UNC, and maybe Miami over FSU. The SEC apparently has no interest in FSU at all.

 

That's it for now. The next 24 or so hours are gonna be huge. By end of day Friday the fate of several conferences and schools could be largely determined.

 

Or not.


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Posted 03 August 2023 - 09:48 PM

SI’s Ross Dellenger reports the Big 12 presidents met this evening and approved Arizona to join as a 14th member. That’s a pretty good indication that the Wildcats are leaving. No word on the outcome of the AZ BoR meeting, or what Arizona State will do.



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Posted 04 August 2023 - 08:23 AM

Conference realignment man.

 

Dan Wetzel

The Pac 12 has a meeting in the next hour to discuss its media deal and the signing of a grant of rights, as @RossDellenger and others have reported. As bleak as things looked for the league late Thursday, numerous sources express optimism that the Pac 12 can halt most or even all defections and push forward together with the Apple deal. So many moving parts and uncertainties, but like a great summer blockbuster, this story may not be over.
 
 
BREAKING: Oregon and Washington's exit from the Pac-12 to the Big Ten appears to have lost momentum overnight, multiple sources tell @TheAthletic
 


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Posted 04 August 2023 - 10:17 AM

Brett McMurphy now reporting the PAC-12 couldn’t get the Grant of Rights signed, and Oregon and Washington are still expected to join the Big Ten. This is a hell of a roller coaster ride.
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Posted 04 August 2023 - 11:40 AM

Florida State is in talks with JP Morgan Chase about raising capital. Whether that’s to stay in the ACC and close the revenue gap with the big two, or to execute some other plan is anyone’s guess.

 

Conference realignment man.



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Posted 04 August 2023 - 11:41 AM

Action Network: Oregon, Washington to Join Big Ten, Leave Pac-12

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Posted 04 August 2023 - 11:45 AM

X says Oregon and Washington are headed to the B1G.



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Posted 04 August 2023 - 11:49 AM

So the college football world will now feature regular matchups like Oregon vs Rutgers and Washington vs Indiana, but we may never see Oregon vs Oregon State or Washington vs Washington State play again. Someone will have to explain to me how this is good for the sport.


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Posted 04 August 2023 - 11:55 AM

That said, I do look forward to heading down to Eugene the first time the Terps come out.



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Posted 04 August 2023 - 12:06 PM


So the college football world will now feature regular matchups like Oregon vs Rutgers and Washington vs Indiana, but we may never see Oregon vs Oregon State or Washington vs Washington State play again. Someone will have to explain to me how this is good for the sport.

It’s not, but it’s good for the wallets of the folks in charge, which we all know is really what matters.
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Posted 04 August 2023 - 12:08 PM

Big Ten at 16 with USC and UCLA. 

 

Let's say they added Notre Dame, UNC, Virginia, Oregon, Washington, NCST, California, Stanford. 

 

You would probably have 4 Divisions of 6: 

 

D1:
Maryland
UNC

UVA
Penn State
Rutgers
NCST

 

D2:
Michigan
Michigan State
Ohio State
Indiana
Illinois 
Notre Dame

 

D3:

Iowa

Minnesota

Purdue
Nebraska
Northwestern
Wisconsin

 

D4:
UCLA
USC
Oregon
Washington
Cal

Stanford

It certainly wouldn't be any harder for MD. 

 

Big year for MD coming here in '22... need to build off of last year, and take advantage of Taulia being back with quality weapons... obviously won't be easy to improve given their schedule, and 4 Top 15 +/- teams in their division.... but just the way it is.  Continued incremental progression. 

 

Mike posted the Big Ten doesn't seem interested in Cal and Stanford...  still seems logical to me. 

If FSU, and Clemson, and/or Miami jump to the SEC, the ACC is in a world of hurt.

 

The Big Ten needs to go dig the knife in here...  it's about UNC. 
If UNC sees the writing on the wall with the ACC, maybe they jump.
And athletics wise, maybe the SEC makes some sense... but in-terms of the whole package, the Big Ten makes more sense.

UNC won't come alone obviously... and you wouldn't want them by themselves either...  UVA is the next target so you have MD, UVA, UNC...  

NCST is to UNC what Arizona State is to Arizona.  NCST will want to follow UNC. 

If Notre Dame again says no at that point, then Georgia Tech might get the next opportunity.



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Posted 04 August 2023 - 12:10 PM

It’s not, but it’s good for the wallets of the folks in charge, which we all know is really what matters.


Meanwhile, the NCAA and several esteemed US Senators think the real problem is athletes getting paid via NIL.


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#473 BSLMikeLowe

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Posted 04 August 2023 - 12:11 PM

Mike posted FOX doesn't seem interested in Cal and Stanford...  still seems logical to me. 


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Posted 04 August 2023 - 12:18 PM

18 teams doesn't make a whole lot of sense. 

4 teams out West makes less sense than 6. 

 

FSU, and Clemson are never coming to the Big Ten...  so if they're leaving the ACC for the SEC, and the ACC is blowing up.... then the best scenario for the Big Ten is adding UNC, UVA, and maybe getting Notre Dame to finally officially join a conference. 

Obviously ND's existing arrangement with the ACC wouldn't continue if the name ACC football powers were gone.



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Posted 04 August 2023 - 04:34 PM

Mike posted the Big Ten doesn't seem interested in Cal and Stanford...  still seems logical to me. 

If FSU, and Clemson, and/or Miami jump to the SEC, the ACC is in a world of hurt.

 

The Big Ten needs to go dig the knife in here...  it's about UNC. 
If UNC sees the writing on the wall with the ACC, maybe they jump.
And athletics wise, maybe the SEC makes some sense... but in-terms of the whole package, the Big Ten makes more sense.

UNC won't come alone obviously... and you wouldn't want them by themselves either...  UVA is the next target so you have MD, UVA, UNC...  

NCST is to UNC what Arizona State is to Arizona.  NCST will want to follow UNC. 

If Notre Dame again says no at that point, then Georgia Tech might get the next opportunity.

 

The University of Florida will block FSU and Miami from joining the SEC, which makes UNC a far more likely option. Maybe the SEC can talk South Carolina into allowing Clemson in. 



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Posted 04 August 2023 - 04:51 PM

The University of Florida will block FSU and Miami from joining the SEC, which makes UNC a far more likely option. Maybe the SEC can talk South Carolina into allowing Clemson in.


FSU is pretty convinced they are going somewhere... it's only the SEC or the Big 12.

UNC to the SEC doesn't really work academically, but them to the SEC isnt out of the question.

I think the SEC and Big Ten are both getting to 24 relatively shortly.

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Posted 04 August 2023 - 04:56 PM

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Posted 04 August 2023 - 05:14 PM

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Think there will first be the two super conferences, but yeah...one league of the blue bloods could happen...just like what the Euro soccer powers were trying.

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Posted 04 August 2023 - 05:27 PM

How absurd has today been? The chair of Oregon’s Board of Trustees led the meeting to vote on moving to the Big Ten from the middle of a golf course.

 

https://twitter.com/...578383973257216



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Posted 04 August 2023 - 05:44 PM

FSU is pretty convinced they are going somewhere... it's only the SEC or the Big 12.

UNC to the SEC doesn't really work academically, but them to the SEC isnt out of the question.

I think the SEC and Big Ten are both getting to 24 relatively shortly.

 

It would take an intervention from the FL State board of regents to prevent Florida from blackballing FSU. It wouldn't lift a finger to help Miami (private) though. 

 

Chapel Hill has its doppelgänger education-wise in UF (tied for 5th in the USN&WR public school rankings), and UGA is also a top 20 public university. Vandy's a top 15 or so private school. 

 

And yes, the SEC has all the flagship schools of the south that really don't place much value on an education. But that shouldn't mean that they wouldn't be a good fit. UNC won't lose its AAU standing because they schedule a football game with Arkansas, right? 






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