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[SportsGuy]

@danconnollysun: To answer ?, I'd think all OF trade targets u've heard r on radar. But has to b match. Assume Os stay w what they have b4 reachin in trade

[bnickle]

I'd like to see them sign Shields and trade a surplus SP for an OF.

DDDD disagrees. Has to live up to those first two Ds.


Seriously though, this could realistically be possible. Connolly said he was told at one point to expect the payroll to be around 130. Currently at 115. You trade Norris for one of those Ari OFs we were linked to and you're still under 130.



When I say it's realistic, I mean it's realistic from a payroll perspective. I don't think it's reallistic to think the Os will do it. Signing Jimenez last year hurts us on Shields this year. Truly believe we would be involved if UJ wasn't signed last year.

[Cisc-O's]

Ohh how I Yoan for Moncada now.

[dude]

Connolly said he was told at one point to expect the payroll to be around 130. Currently at 115. You trade Norris for one of those Ari OFs we were linked to and you're still under 130.

When I say it's realistic, I mean it's realistic from a payroll perspective. I don't think it's reallistic to think the Os will do it. Signing Jimenez last year hurts us on Shields this year. Truly believe we would be involved if UJ wasn't signed last year.

 

I think the challenge is that the Orioles look at their payroll differently than most perceive.

 

Could the Orioles go to (over) 130M?  Absolutely....from an organizational resources perspective.

 

....but they have an individual approach, not a collective approach to their spending.  They aren't trying to keep it inside a number, they are trying to pay each person X (some perception of value).

 

If Cruz had been willing to sign for 3/35 and Markakis for 3/30 (w/deferred) then they are willing to bump up the payroll to whatever their goal is.

 

It only acts to exclude when you look at the guys like Guthrie and Johnson thru ARB.

[bnickle]

I think the challenge is that the Orioles look at their payroll differently than most perceive.

Could the Orioles go to (over) 130M? Absolutely....from an organizational resources perspective.

....but they have an individual approach, not a collective approach to their spending. They aren't trying to keep it inside a number, they are trying to pay each person X (some perception of value).

If Cruz had been willing to sign for 3/35 and Markakis for 3/30 (w/deferred) then they are willing to bump up the payroll to whatever their goal is.

It only acts to exclude when you look at the guys like Guthrie and Johnson thru ARB.

I do agree with this and that's frustrating in itself.

Absolutely would have been willing to sign Markakis and Cruz this off-season for the right number. Our payroll could easily be over 130 right now. But since they moved on they won't spend that money they otherwise would be giving to those two guys.

[SportsGuy]

I think the challenge is that the Orioles look at their payroll differently than most perceive.
 
Could the Orioles go to (over) 130M?  Absolutely....from an organizational resources perspective.
 
....but they have an individual approach, not a collective approach to their spending.  They aren't trying to keep it inside a number, they are trying to pay each person X (some perception of value).
 
If Cruz had been willing to sign for 3/35 and Markakis for 3/30 (w/deferred) then they are willing to bump up the payroll to whatever their goal is.
 
It only acts to exclude when you look at the guys like Guthrie and Johnson thru ARB.

And how stupid is this?

Think about this for a moment(I know you have, just putting this down "on paper")

We are going to pay Hunter, Matusz, De Aza and Webb 15 million or so.

Now, individually, none of those are bad except maybe Matusz and even he could be really good in 2015.

But combine those deals and that is almost James Shields in 2015.

Combine that with the idea of trading multiple starters for young assets and getting rid of more salary and you have a better, deeper and younger team with better long and short term upside.

This team had NEVER understood that.

[mweb08]

Nothing wrong at all with De Aza's salary IMO, even within the framework you are presenting.

[dude]

Combine that with the idea of trading multiple starters for young assets and getting rid of more salary and you have a better, deeper and younger team with better long and short term upside.

This team had NEVER understood that.

 

fwiw, I know this gets push back from some here (not you), but this is what I refer to as having 'no plan' (now or later).

[bnickle]

Of.course there is no specific plan. They fly by the seat of their pants.