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[Oriole85]

Youre the first one that responded to my assertion. I'm telling you that I don't really care about your opinion on Turge because I don't think you pay close enough attention.

But to be clear, and not ovet the top, I don't think there are necessarily a lot of Turge "haters".

I think most fail to understand, or accept, the state of the program when Turge took over. This was not a program is shape to turn things around quickly.

It's not like the program has taken any steps back either. The kid above keeps talking about how this year is worse than last year, but we just lost a lottery pick and arguably our best player was out til Jan.

This was a natural up and down you see from every program from year to year based on departures, inj,etc.

No I don't think that's the case. I think most people don't share your views on this. And there's nothing wrong with that.

 

You wouldn't say the program has taken a step back from last year? I would disagree with that. No good wins this year unlike last year and unacceptable losses to teams like Oregon State and Boston U.

 

Seth Allen's return hasn't made a difference where it matters most, in the win column. But keep making excuses for Turgeon.

 

And just out of curiosity, whose opinion on Turgeon carries weight with you? 

[Oriole85]

No, Turge is probably secretly berating Williams for leaving the program in bad shape and of all times in May.

He'll never admitbit because he can't, but I doubt he expected much his first two years. In fact, he probably felt like he was a.little ahead of the curve to win 25 games last year.

The 25 wins is a bit misleading. This includes the NIT as well as a cupcake OOC schedule after all.

[You Play to Win the Game]

When there are mid-majors shocking people every year with a tenth of the talent that this team has... and you see Turge's mentor go into SMU and turn them into a top 25 program over night, again with not nearly the talent of this team, how can you sit there with a straight face and at least, at a MINIMUM, not be slightly disappointed in the Turge era so far?

 

I still like him and am not giving up on him yet, but he's disappointed. He's also had some rough circumstances, no one is debating that - but he hasn't helped his situation at all.

[bnickle]

Again, he's not above criticism. He gets a C or C+ over his 3 years so far considering everything.

[You Play to Win the Game]

Again, he's not above criticism. He gets a C or C+ over his 3 years so far considering everything.

 

That is very reasonable.

[BSLChrisStoner]

Again, he's not above criticism. He gets a C or C+ over his 3 years so far considering everything.

 

Don't think anyone disagrees with that grade.

[mweb08]

Youre the first one that responded to my assertion. I'm telling you that I don't really care about your opinion on Turge because I don't think you pay close enough attention.

But to be clear, and not over the top, I don't think there are necessarily a lot of Turge "haters".

I think most fail to understand, or accept, the state of the program when Turge took over. This was not a program is shape to turn things around quickly.

It's not like the program has taken any steps back either. The kid above keeps talking about how this year is worse than last year, but we just lost a lottery pick and arguably our best player was out til Jan.

This was a natural up and down you see from every program from year to year based on departures, inj,etc.

 

Thanks buddy. I guess watching 8-10 full games, parts of others, reading just about everything on here, reading some other articles, and talking to 2ish MD guests a week for 15-20 minutes a pop isn't good enough for you. 

 

Well fine, just respect the die hards. But I don't have to watch one game to figure out that Turgeon came into a situation where he should have been able to get to the tourney within his first 3 years and that in his 3rd year, with his own recruits, that it's no longer time to harp on Gary in terms of where the program is now.

[bnickle]

Weber I probably didn't handle your response well. You're allowed to have an opinion no matter how closely you follow the Terps. It's just that you never really actively engage in any Terps discussion on the board.

 

 

I guess the bigger thing is, you just piss me off when you pick out a small part of a bigger point to harp on. Or in this case you, you got defensive and jumped on a clearly hyperbolic statement about me debating Turge "haters". I was ready to move on and wanted to bring up JBs comments postgame.  You pull me back in on the Turge stuff. Let things go sometimes. Please. You don't have to pick out and respond to every single post, or portion of a post.

[mweb08]

I think your perception is largely incorrect, but if you don't want someone questioning a point or statement you make, then don't say it. I mean it's as simple as that. Complaining that someone questions a point you clearly made is ridiculous. I also have absolutely no problem addressing your arguments in full. 

 

And never is a poor choice of words from your first paragraph. 

 

And you telling me to let things go is funny. You pull yourself back into the Turge stuff all the time. 

[bnickle]

Because there are people calling for him to be fired.

If you're going to back me up against a wall I'll stand by the "haters"comment even though it was somewhat hyperbole.

There are people here "hating", or being overly critical.

[mweb08]

Because there are people calling for him to be fired.

 

I think the large majority want to at least give him next year. Most don't seem to want to beyond that unless the results improve quite a bit next season. Is that different from your perception?

[SportsGuy]

Well, I think Knoche follows the team closely and he said tonight that Turg has been a disappointment so far.

He gave us a great interview, as he usually does.....definitely worth a listen for all Terps fans.

[Oriole85]

Because there are people calling for him to be fired.

If you're going to back me up against a wall I'll stand by the "haters"comment even though it was somewhat hyperbole.

There are people here "hating", or being overly critical.

No one on this thread has called for him to be fired.

[bnickle]

At least one person did. There was a comment to the effect of buy out Anderson, Edsall,and Turgeon.

Also, there was 20/20 hindsight complaining about him not calling a TO when letting Cuse set up that zone would not have been wise. You had them scrambling back.

[Oriole85]

At least one person did. There was a comment to the effect of buy out Anderson, Edsall,and Turgeon.

Also, there was 20/20 hindsight complaining about him not calling a TO when letting Fuse set up that zone would not have been wise. You had them scrambling back.

I don't recall seeing that in this thread. Peter is the only BSLer who has called for him to be fired and he hasn't posted in about a week.

[Markus]

At least one person did. There was a comment to the effect of buy out Anderson, Edsall,and Turgeon.

Also, there was 20/20 hindsight complaining about him not calling a TO when letting Cuse set up that zone would not have been wise. You had them scrambling back.

C'mon man, that was tongue-in-cheek. I thought the "mega millions" line made that obvious.

[BSLMattJergensen]

Depends on how you define the word success.

MD could have made the tourney last year....just making the tourney, for most teams, isn't some impressive, successful feat. Schools like Md should expect to make the tourney, not hope for it.

They won 22 regular season gems...got to the semis of the NiT, where they lost to a good Iowa team. They played with a loaded Kentucky team.

They easily could have made the tourney....they were one of the last few out type thing...there are some games they shouldn't have lost, even without a good PG.

However, without a good Pg, they did win 25 games, beat Duke twice and beat a top 15 NC St team. Clearly, that's a resume where they could have made the big dance.

 

I don't look at the number of wins I look at the quality of them. Three wins against ranked opponents isn't good enough in my opinon. I know that guys like Lunardi had the Terps in the "Next Four Out" category but I just didn't see it. Strength of schedule just wasn't difficult enough for me and they simply didn't win enough. They were 22-12 before the NIT.

 

CBB is guard driven. You need solid guardplay, point guard play and shooters to make your way to the tournament and to make a run.

 

I simply thought they were further away from the tourney that others thought. BTW they still need a real point guard.

[Mackus]

I'd say D+ to C- if I'm grading Turgeon's tenure to this point, pending how this season finishes.  That's not to say he's a failure or a bad coach, but to have zero tournament appearances and have taken a step back from year 2 to year 3 is a definite disappointment.  I can't give him a C if he's done a worse than average job, and I think he has so far.  I don't think it's all his fault, and I don't want him fired, but I think he's underachieved both in terms of what we should have projected forward 3 years from the time he was hired and also in terms of single season expectations each of the last two years.  His first year he exceeded expectations, but neither of the last two seasons have lived up to even the more modest expectations.

 

A couple wins in the ACC tournament and a strong NIT run will make this year look more like it was lost because of Seth's injury and a few tough bounces rather than just not being relevant at all, and that would slightly improve the outlook and his grade.  But if we finish 1-2 and lose our first ACC tournament game, then those excuses aren't as viable, and it looks like an even cleared step back from last season.

[mweb08]

Good post Mack.

 

If this were a pass/fail grade, I'd have to go with fail because he has fallen well short of the expectations I, and I think I can safely say we as a group had for him when he took the job. He has also fallen short of the expectations of this year (to date) and last. 

 

The only thing I'm really happy with has been the recruiting, but obviously it hasn't translated to on the court success yet. So it's hard to even be happy with that other than just looking at the rankings. We'll see how the touted class of 2014 fares.