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#21 BSLMikeLowe

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Posted 18 February 2014 - 03:08 PM

Personally, I have mixed feelings about pros being in the Olympics in the first place. I think what made 1980 so special was that they were a bunch of college kids going up against the big bad Russians in the height of the cold weather. Unlikely that type of event would ever be replicated anyways given the underdog status, world events, and home ice. I really wish I had been alive for that. At the same time, I do like seeing the best in the world compete.

 

I was 10 and remember it well. It was absolutely awesome....and while I knew it was a big upset at the time, it wasn't until much later that I fully comprehended just how big an upset it was. And while it didn't necessarily turn me on to the NHL (many of the guys on that team never made it to that level, and only one had what could be considered a noteworthy NHL career), I think that was more because the NHL just was not available to me to watch in that era, since I was probably the last kid on my block to get cable TV at home. But after the Olympics I definitely followed with great interest the Islanders of the early 80s and the Gretzky-led Edmonton teams after that, at least as best a kid without access to many games on TV could.

 

But 1980 is just something we aren't likely to ever see again....at least not in Olympic team sports that have a significant global reach. Even if the IOC takes take the pros out, in addition to the NHL'ers that also means you eliminate the players from other professional leagues around the world. So instead of those powerhouse Soviet teams, arguably better than even the best NHL teams of their era, the Russians, Czechs, Slovaks, etc, would also be sending rag-tag groups of amateurs because of how the world's political landscape has changed since 1980. Personally, I prefer seeing the best players each country has to offer, regardless of professional status.



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Posted 18 February 2014 - 03:25 PM

I was 10 and remember it well. It was absolutely awesome....and while I knew it was a big upset at the time, it wasn't until much later that I fully comprehended just how big an upset it was. And while it didn't necessarily turn me on to the NHL (many of the guys on that team never made it to that level, and only one had what could be considered a noteworthy NHL career), I think that was more because the NHL just was not available to me to watch in that era, since I was probably the last kid on my block to get cable TV at home. But after the Olympics I definitely followed with great interest the Islanders of the early 80s and the Gretzky-led Edmonton teams after that, at least as best a kid without access to many games on TV could.

 

But 1980 is just something we aren't likely to ever see again....at least not in Olympic team sports that have a significant global reach. Even if the IOC takes take the pros out, in addition to the NHL'ers that also means you eliminate the players from other professional leagues around the world. So instead of those powerhouse Soviet teams, arguably better than even the best NHL teams of their era, the Russians, Czechs, Slovaks, etc, would also be sending rag-tag groups of amateurs because of how the world's political landscape has changed since 1980. Personally, I prefer seeing the best players each country has to offer, regardless of professional status.

That added to the appeal after the fact, since it wasn't a "dream team." As Kurt Russell (playing Herb Brooks) said in the movie, "When you have a dream team, you can't really dream."

 

My family didn't get cable until the early 90s and it was big deal with all 60 channels at the time.

 

Couldn't they still have KHL and other professional league players in there? That be a bit competitive imbalance. Or is it if the NHL won't send players, no team would be allowed to?


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Posted 18 February 2014 - 04:04 PM

Couldn't they still have KHL and other professional league players in there? That be a bit competitive imbalance. Or is it if the NHL won't send players, no team would be allowed to?

 

I think those are two mutually exclusive things. I was referring to your mention of pros in the Olympics in general, which would be an IOC decision and would prevent KHL players and the like, as well. But yeah, there is obviously the scenario in which the NHL on its own decides not to shut down and let its players participate.



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Posted 18 February 2014 - 08:47 PM

If it means anything, since Madison brought up the World Cup, I would have absolutely no interest in soccer, nor would I know any players name, if it wasn't for the World Cup and the international matches. Not saying I represent the majority but all of my soccer knowledge, aside from the Blast, stems a little from '02 and mostly from '06, '09 (Confederations Cup) and '10. 


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Posted 19 February 2014 - 08:50 PM

Of course they should....the NHL is a non entity for many people, especially in the US. This gives the sport notoriety.



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Posted 19 February 2014 - 09:08 PM

District Sports Page: NHL trying to put Olympics on ice

 

http://districtsport...cs-on-ice/21730

 

Olympic participation also means a two-to-three week break in the NHL season. That stops the league’s momentum at a time when it is no longer competing with the NFL for an audience. It is hard to bring fans back after such a long break.

There is also the obvious injury concern as players can injure themselves playing in what essentially amount to exhibition games in the NHL’s eyes.

Is it worth risking the health of the league’s best players and the fans’ patience for a tournament that most people won’t even be able to watch?

The first part is probably the weakest part of his argument. If anything, you're just to likely see a little bit of an uptick as a result of the Olympics after the break. Yes, you are still alienating many of your hardcore fans, who don't want their season interrupted (imagine if baseball decided to go away in the middle of August).

 

The injury concern is the most valid IMO. Sure injuries can happen anywhere, but that's the last place you'd want it.

 

While not as many people are going to watch because of the early AM start time, the ratings have been comparable with SC Finals. The flag talks loud and proud.

 

When the NHL first hinted its displeasure with the Olympics, Alex Ovechkin made it clear he was going to Sochi regardless, saying he would go even if the season did not pause for an Olympic break. The 2018 Olympics will be held in Pyeongchang, South Korea. It is doubtful he will make same threat then.

The real fight for the future of NHL Olympic participation is going to be for Pyeongchang. With so many Canadian stars, the NHL would have had a hard time keeping the players out of Vancouver four years ago and the same goes for Sochi.

There aren’t any South Korean superstars in the NHL. While representing one’s country is always important, Pyeongchang just will not carry the same importance as either Vancouver or Sochi.

 

 

The NHL of course isn’t saying that players can’t represent their countries. “I’m very much a believer in the World Cup,” said Bettman during a Q&A with TSN’s Gord Miller. “I think they’re great. Doing it at a time of year in places that we can control makes a whole lot more sense for us in terms of what we try to accomplish as the NHL. And we think it’s good for international hockey as well.”


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Posted 19 February 2014 - 09:13 PM

Of course they should....the NHL is a non entity for many people, especially in the US. This gives the sport notoriety.

I don't think it's so obvious, when the NHL doesn't necessarily see a return on it. It's great for fans and is very entertaining, but the amount of hockey fans gained from this is exaggerated. Just like with the World Cup, patriotism is a big driver in all of this.

 

From a fan's standpoint, I hope it continues, but I understand owners concerns.


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Posted 20 February 2014 - 09:07 AM

District Sports Page: NHL trying to put Olympics on ice

 

http://districtsport...cs-on-ice/21730

 

The first part is probably the weakest part of his argument. If anything, you're just to likely see a little bit of an uptick as a result of the Olympics after the break. Yes, you are still alienating many of your hardcore fans, who don't want their season interrupted (imagine if baseball decided to go away in the middle of August).

 

The injury concern is the most valid IMO. Sure injuries can happen anywhere, but that's the last place you'd want it.

 

While not as many people are going to watch because of the early AM start time, the ratings have been comparable with SC Finals. The flag talks loud and proud.

Speaking of injury concern...

http://espn.go.com/o...mcl-done-season



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Posted 20 February 2014 - 12:27 PM

Speaking of injury concern...

http://espn.go.com/o...mcl-done-season

That just gives owners a bullet point when this issue is raised next.


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Posted 21 February 2014 - 12:46 AM

CSN Washington: McPhee not a fan of NHL playing on foreign soil

 

http://www.csnwashin...ng-foreign-soil

 

“I’d personally rather not do it when it’s outside North America,” Capitals general manager George McPhee said Thursday. “I wouldn’t want to be the New York Islanders today, who lost their best player. That’s tough.”

 

"It wouldn't matter if we were 10 points up on a playoff spot or 10 points out,” Snow told reporters Thursday. [The Isles are 12 points out].  “We lost our best player and he wasn't playing for us.

 

“Are the IIHF or IOC going to reimburse our season ticket holders now?


“It's a joke. They want all the benefits from NHL players in Olympics and don't want to pay when our best player gets hurt."


McPhee echoed those same sentiments, acknowledging Capitals captain Alex Ovechkin, who was clearly targeted during the Olympics, could have sustained a similar injury.


“We have people that own these clubs that have a lot invested in these players and, at least monetarily, they don’t get a whole lot or anything out of the Olympics,” McPhee said. “I’m sure it’s not fair to them, either.”


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Posted 21 February 2014 - 03:07 PM

Now with the US done competing and most casual fans done watching, I'm curious how many are more likely to watch the NHL as a result of the Olympics? (yes, this is an unscientific poll which isn't necessarily reflective of the adult population)


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Posted 17 April 2014 - 12:52 PM

Bettman on the future of Hockey in the Olympics (ESPN)

 

As for any update on the future participation of the NHL in the Olympics, Bettman said the league and players have had zero discussions about what the league's position is going to be moving forward, despite rumblings from some about Olympic-related fatigue.


"You hear some of the clubs suggesting players are tired and worn out. Particularly you look at teams that had 10 or nine players. (St. Louis Blues head coach) Ken Hitchcock was quoted the other day and said they ran out of gas a little bit and they're looking to rejuvenate for the playoffs. It has an impact -- injuries and fatigue," Bettman said.


But while the league and the players were hoping to come to a conclusion on future Olympic participation, as well as a firm plan on the hosting of a World Cup of Hockey -- likely in the fall of 2015 -- within six months or so of the end of the Sochi Games, nothing has been resolved.

 

"Since we've left Sochi, and I've repeatedly said this, we weren't focused on Olympics anymore. We were focused on the balance of the regular season and playoffs. We haven't given it a moment of thought," Bettman said.


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