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[DJ MC]

http://deadspin.com/...-ncaa-489241635

[DJ MC]

http://collegebasket...them-from-ncaa/

 

The plaintiffs in the O'Bannon suit are trying to add a current NCAA athlete to the suit, and are asking that the NCAA agree not to retaliate against that person.

[DJ MC]

http://deadspin.com/...cense-815738961

 

The NCAA isn't renewing their overall license for EA Sports. Individual schools can still license their information.

[DJ MC]

http://sportsillustr.../?sct=uk_t12_a6

 

Six current players have joined the lawsuit. The NCAA says they won't retaliate.

 

Arizona middle linebacker Jake Fischer

 

Arizona kicker Jake Smith

 

Clemson cornerback Darius Robinson

 

Vanderbilt middle linebacker Chase Garnham

 

Minnesota receiver Victor Keise

 

Minnesota tight end Moses Alipate

[DJ MC]

http://www.sportsone...rticle/59748276

 

Allowing Nike and boosters to pay athletes directly would probably divert checks currently written to athletic directors. If sponsors wanted to attach themselves to a Jadeveon Clowney, a Brittney Griner or a Missy Franklin, they wouldn't have to pay for a package that includes field-goal kickers and backstrokers who can't break a minute in the 100 meters. They could also pay Clowney, or even the field-goal kicker, substantially more than the women without inviting the Justice Department in for an audit of an athletic department's books.

 

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Gymnast Gabby Douglas, Franklin's fellow breakout star from the London Games, went pro because she couldn't afford to defer her income opportunities after the Olympics. Reforms that wipe out amateurism would permit Douglas to compete in college if she wished. Pay-for-play, on the other hand, could kill off gymnastics teams.

[Oriole85]

ESPN: NCAA president: Not a good idea

 

http://espn.go.com/c...ollege-athletes

[FlavaDave10]

I think it's slightly hypocritical that these athletic departments can make so much money off of college athletes, yet the NCAA isn't OK with athletes getting paid. 

[Oriole85]

CBS Sports: Time to pay college football players -- changing times, money say so

 

http://www.cbssports...es-money-say-so

 

The business of college football has changed dramatically -- especially in the last few decades -- and it has changed for damn near everyone. For everyone but the players, that is. Salaries, stadium seating and ticket prices have skyrocketed. The compensation for the athletes we're watching? Stagnated.

[Oriole85]

CBS Sports: Big Ten's Delany: Let pros start minor leagues if athletes want pay

 

http://www.cbssports...-of-high-school

[BSLMikeLowe]

Settled for $40m.

[DJ MC]

Settled for $40m.

 

Only part of it, with EA and the CLC. The NCAA is going to fight this to the death, mostly because they feel if they lose the suit, such will be the result.

[BSLMikeLowe]

Only part of it, with EA and the CLC. The NCAA is going to fight this to the death, mostly because they feel if they lose the suit, such will be the result.

 

I think the end of the NCAA (at least as we currently know it) is inevitable, regardless of the outcome of this suit.

[Oriole85]

ESPN: Jim Boeheim against pay-for-play

 

http://espn.go.com/m...otic-suggestion

 

"That's really the most idiotic suggestion of all time," Boeheim said. "I don't believe players should be paid. I believe they are getting a tremendous opportunity."

[Mike in STL]

A stipend for athletes is warranted. All athletes. Especially if athletes can't hold down jobs while they're playing sports. It should be a small amount that even the smallest university can afford to pay out, and it be standard across the board. You can't have people choose Alabama over Maryland because Alabama gives a $1,000 a month stipend and Maryland only $500.

With that, a stipend isn't the solution to the improper benefits problem running wild in NCAA sports. Schools will still have boosters leave money in lockers, get these kids escorts, buy them cars, whatever. More "death penalties" like SMU back in the day, might cure the problem. That program never recovered. Vacating wins as the only form of punishment is a joke. The fact a coach can just bolt for the NFL and get away is a joke. There should be some kind of agreement between the NFL and NCAA. There was in Terrell Pryor's case. Lets say Pete Carroll goes to Seattle. The NFL has an agreement in place with the NCAA. They find that Carroll was aware of recruiting wrong doings, and the NFL agrees to uphold a penalty handed out by the NCAA. Say it's serious enough to warrant a year long suspension. Now with their head coach suspended, the team nose dives, and Seattle is wishing they didn't hire Carroll. So NFL teams would not want to hire anyone, head coach, coordinator, any assistant, with ties to NCAA violations, and would do extensive background checks on these guys before hiring them. So if a coach wants to promote to the big leagues, he better keep his nose clean.

I digress. Back to the topic.

I also think if Nike wants to pay Clowney, or Griner, they should be allowed. It's their money. Is it fair to field hockey players, or cross country runners that football and basketball players are higher profile athletes? It doesn't have to be fair. I hate to sound insensitive, but life isn't fair. Besides, Nike can pay Clowney. Speedo can pay a star swimmer. Easton or Rawlings can pay baseball players, Asics can pay track stars, STX can pay lacrosse players, Ping can pay golfers. The fact is there are sport specific brands that can pay their lesser profile college stars. Michael Phelps probably gets paid a Brinks trunk full of money to wear Speedo gear. The next Michael Phelps might be in college right now, and if Speedo wants to pay that person a truck full of money, go for it. But the worst swimmer on the team, who's "going to go pro in something other than sports," cant cry that its not fair that he/she is not getting endorsement deals. Get better and maybe you will.

So...Standard stipend for all - Yes. Endorsements if you're good enough - Yes.

[DJ MC]

A stipend for athletes is warranted. All athletes. Especially if athletes can't hold down jobs while they're playing sports. It should be a small amount that even the smallest university can afford to pay out, and it be standard across the board. You can't have people choose Alabama over Maryland because Alabama gives a $1,000 a month stipend and Maryland only $500.

 

Why not?

 

An athlete can choose Alabama over Maryland for a dozen reasons that have little to do with the team on the field, including ridiculous amenities in the football facility. Why not money, if that is what the school wants to offer?

[Oriole85]

A stipend for athletes is warranted. All athletes. Especially if athletes can't hold down jobs while they're playing sports. It should be a small amount that even the smallest university can afford to pay out, and it be standard across the board. You can't have people choose Alabama over Maryland because Alabama gives a $1,000 a month stipend and Maryland only $500.

With that, a stipend isn't the solution to the improper benefits problem running wild in NCAA sports. Schools will still have boosters leave money in lockers, get these kids escorts, buy them cars, whatever. More "death penalties" like SMU back in the day, might cure the problem. That program never recovered. Vacating wins as the only form of punishment is a joke. The fact a coach can just bolt for the NFL and get away is a joke. There should be some kind of agreement between the NFL and NCAA. There was in Terrell Pryor's case. Lets say Pete Carroll goes to Seattle. The NFL has an agreement in place with the NCAA. They find that Carroll was aware of recruiting wrong doings, and the NFL agrees to uphold a penalty handed out by the NCAA. Say it's serious enough to warrant a year long suspension. Now with their head coach suspended, the team nose dives, and Seattle is wishing they didn't hire Carroll. So NFL teams would not want to hire anyone, head coach, coordinator, any assistant, with ties to NCAA violations, and would do extensive background checks on these guys before hiring them. So if a coach wants to promote to the big leagues, he better keep his nose clean.

I digress. Back to the topic.

I also think if Nike wants to pay Clowney, or Griner, they should be allowed. It's their money. Is it fair to field hockey players, or cross country runners that football and basketball players are higher profile athletes? It doesn't have to be fair. I hate to sound insensitive, but life isn't fair. Besides, Nike can pay Clowney. Speedo can pay a star swimmer. Easton or Rawlings can pay baseball players, Asics can pay track stars, STX can pay lacrosse players, Ping can pay golfers. The fact is there are sport specific brands that can pay their lesser profile college stars. Michael Phelps probably gets paid a Brinks trunk full of money to wear Speedo gear. The next Michael Phelps might be in college right now, and if Speedo wants to pay that person a truck full of money, go for it. But the worst swimmer on the team, who's "going to go pro in something other than sports," cant cry that its not fair that he/she is not getting endorsement deals. Get better and maybe you will.

So...Standard stipend for all - Yes. Endorsements if you're good enough - Yes.

I think there's already a stipend in place -- could be wrong there, but it's not much. In terms of a standard stipend that you propose, would it be the same across the board as in Akron is the same as Alabama? Do punters get paid the same as QBs? Starters the same as backups? And if that's the case, is it really fair that the backup punter at Southern Mississippi is making the same as a Heisman Trophy winner like Manziel, who has transformed A&M? 

 

Agree with your point on the backdoor system. There's no great solution IMO. The NCAA has become too big for it's own good.

 

In terms of your Michael Phelps example -- you do realize he didn't swim in college? The next Michael Phelps will likely follow the same path. Only reason this is a big problem in football is because there's no other option. Any other sport, they can go pro if I'm not mistaken -- sure you have to wait a year in the NBA, but you can play the D-League or overseas.

[KWebz]

Agreed some sort of payment should be given and a stipend is the best way to go. In fact I'm also not entirely sure they don't receive stipends either. Although not really related at all, at UD music grad students get stipends but undergraduates do not. My brother didn't get a stipend playing college baseball but gets one now as a grad student assistant coach. Regardless, I do agree that it's quite unfair how much money schools , coaches, trainers, etc make off the athletes while the players have to walk such a straight and narrow line in terms of accepting any gifts or signing autographs.

[Oriole85]

ESPN: Coach K backs NCAA changes

 

http://espn.go.com/m...ism-report-says

[Oriole85]

ESPN: APU could spell trouble for NCAA

 

http://espn.go.com/c...ll-trouble-ncaa

 

Sure the top players would still get drafted if they had some kind of boycott, but it's the borderline draftable players and the ones who want to position themselves higher who stand to lose.

 

As Arizona kicker Jake Smith pointed out weeks ago when he added his name to the O'Bannon case, "If we [players] didn't exist, there would be no University of Arizona football team. There would be no Alabama Crimson Tide football team. There would be no Florida Gator football team. There would be no Texas A&M football team. ... Without us, there is no 'they.' "

Sort of like saying without employees Wal Mart wouldn't exist. He's right, but other athletes would be willing to play. Short of starting a players-owned minor league (since the NFL isn't likely starting a developmental league), they need each other. And like I said above, the greater good to get drafted so by boycotting they stand a lot to lose. And for the players who aren't getting drafted, their journey will be ending so they probably want to make the most of the college experience.

[Mike in STL]

 
In terms of your Michael Phelps example -- you do realize he didn't swim in college? The next Michael Phelps will likely follow the same path. Only reason this is a big problem in football is because there's no other option. Any other sport, they can go pro if I'm not mistaken -- sure you have to wait a year in the NBA, but you can play the D-League or overseas.

I knew that about Phelps. Bad example I guess. Tiger Woods? Callaway or Titleist could endorse some great amatuer golfers.

I didn't know there was a stipend in place.