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#21 JeremyStrain

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Posted 27 March 2013 - 03:25 PM

Top 10 in '09

1 Nats Stephen Strasburg RHP $7,500,000

2 Mariners Dustin Ackley OF $6,000,000

3 Padres Donavan Tate OF $6,250,000

4 Pirates Tony Sanchez C $2,500,000

5 Orioles Matt Hobgood RHP $2,422,000

6 Giants Zack Wheeler RHP $3,300,000

7 Braves Mike Minor LHP $2,420,000

8 Reds Mike Leake RHP $2,270,000

9 Tigers Jacob Turner RHP $4,700,000

Drew Storen did not sign.

Recommended slot for the #5 pick was $2,520,000. So the O's pretty much paid slot for Hobgood and his money at 5 was pretty much in line with picks #4-9.


http://www.mymlbdraf... ... es/170809/


MLB recommended slot and actual signing value are two totally different things. Sanchez and Hobgood both 100% went where they did because they were willing to sign for that compared to what other guys that talent wise, should have gone there. Leake and Minor were both advanced college guys (have to pay more for HS kids because they can go to college) Matzek and Miller got paid well and are a better indication that a HS pitcher at # 5 should have gotten more. It's just tricky to look at what was actually spent or look at "slot" value to get a good idea of what a team should spend (at least back then).

Instead of paying a guy the 3-4.5m at 5 that they were asking, they went 2.5 and spent more later.
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Posted 27 March 2013 - 05:37 PM

Or they could have signed Leake or Minor for about what they gave Hobgood. My point is they didn't save a lot of money with Hobgood. I was actually expecting him to sign for about 2 million when I heard that he was projected to go around 15th.

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Posted 27 March 2013 - 06:22 PM

Or they could have signed Leake or Minor for about what they gave Hobgood. My point is they didn't save a lot of money with Hobgood. I was actually expecting him to sign for about 2 million when I heard that he was projected to go around 15th.


It just looks a little skewed in hindsight, at the time of the draft, the next couple HS kids were looking at Tate and asking for $4m or so in that 5 spot. PIT pulled a big time signability pick with Sanchez, which skewed that spot and then the O's (from what I've heard) shopped the pricetag they wanted to spend at that spot to the guys in the order they had them on their board. No doubt in my mind they probably had him higher than some other teams, but even at 10 that's about the highest I've heard a team had him at the time. Matzek wasn't taking 2.5, Miller wasn't taking 2.5. I think the college kids kinda went with a fair market price at their spot, cause they don't have the leverage that the HS do.

It was a big surprise that year when Matzek, Leake and Miller especially signed for what they did. I know Matzek was an 11th hour signing, and I think Miller waited a while too. Leake and Minor signed pretty quick (faster than anyone expected), leaving some money on the table, but probably not a ton since they didn't have a lot of leverage like the HS kids did.

We all know I was a big fan of "pay Matzek $4m", which in hindsight wouldn't have been great either, but at least he was consensus in the mix at that spot. I guess it's too bad the O's weren't scouting NJ heavily that year. (Trout)
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Posted 27 March 2013 - 11:18 PM

Top 10 in '09

1 Nats Stephen Strasburg RHP $7,500,000

2 Mariners Dustin Ackley OF $6,000,000

3 Padres Donavan Tate OF $6,250,000

4 Pirates Tony Sanchez C $2,500,000

5 Orioles Matt Hobgood RHP $2,422,000

6 Giants Zack Wheeler RHP $3,300,000

7 Braves Mike Minor LHP $2,420,000

8 Reds Mike Leake RHP $2,270,000

9 Tigers Jacob Turner RHP $4,700,000

Drew Storen did not sign.

Recommended slot for the #5 pick was $2,520,000. So the O's pretty much paid slot for Hobgood and his money at 5 was pretty much in line with picks #4-9.


http://www.mymlbdraf... ... es/170809/

Drew Storen did sign, it was Aaron Crow who didn't the year before.
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Posted 09 April 2013 - 09:58 AM

2013 season: 4 ip, 0 er, 2 hits, 2 bb's, 2 k's



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Posted 17 April 2013 - 10:37 AM

Season: 4 games, 8 ip, 3 hits, 0 er, 4 bb's, 5 k's



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Posted 28 April 2013 - 09:29 AM

Season: 2-0, 1.42 era, 12.2 ip, 8 hits, 8 bb's, 8 k's



#28 Adam Wolff

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Posted 30 April 2013 - 10:20 AM

Is the plan for Hobgood to ultimately still start? Or is pitching in relief long term?


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Posted 30 April 2013 - 10:27 AM

Good to see the early results, albeit it shoddy control and at Delmarva. Hopefully he finds a way back onto the real prospect list, but I'm not getting my hopes up.



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Posted 02 May 2013 - 07:42 AM


No, it was a genuine strategy with terrible execution. The extra money was spent on risky JUCO players and bad injury risks, and guys that just weren't great prospects overall.

There's a difference in spending on an AJ Cole in the 3rd versus spending on a Cam Coffey later.

Except Leake signed for like 50,000 more and Minor signed for 2,000 less. C_o_c pretty much has the same opinions on this issue as me so no point in really carrying on. What's done is done and we can all agree it was one of the worst picks in recent O's history.



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Posted 02 May 2013 - 09:10 AM



No, it was a genuine strategy with terrible execution. The extra money was spent on risky JUCO players and bad injury risks, and guys that just weren't great prospects overall.


There's a difference in spending on an AJ Cole in the 3rd versus spending on a Cam Coffey later.

Except Leake signed for like 50,000 more and Minor signed for 2,000 less. C_o_c pretty much has the same opinions on this issue as me so no point in really carrying on. What's done is done and we can all agree it was one of the worst picks in recent O's history.

Can't judge that in hindsight. They were both asking for much more before the draft and factors like pick taken, and pitching style figure in.
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Posted 02 May 2013 - 09:32 AM

Can't judge that in hindsight. They were both asking for much more before the draft and factors like pick taken, and pitching style figure in.

Didn't that turn out to be the case the majority of the time in the draft? I remember Strassburg was reportedly asking for 30+ million.



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Posted 02 May 2013 - 09:42 AM

Didn't that turn out to be the case the majority of the time in the draft? I remember Strassburg was reportedly asking for 30+ million.

 

It usually is, the problem is that they played it backwards. Instead of taking a guy asking for more, and negotiating him down, they ruled out guys asking for too much, and limited their search to guys asking for what they wanted to spend (because they thought they'd go lower in the draft and that would be about what the rate would be for at their projected pick).

 

Turns out that a bunch of the older college guys signed for much less than anticipated and set the value lower, so if they would have taken BPA at their spot it would have ended up close to the same amount they ended up spending.


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Posted 05 May 2013 - 08:15 AM

Season: 2-0, 1.15 era, 15.2 ip, 8 hits, 2 er, 10 bb's, 10 k's

 

Had a 3 inning out his last appearance.



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Posted 08 May 2013 - 07:28 AM

MASN: Hobgood pitching well out of bullpen, will stay there for now
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Posted 08 May 2013 - 04:15 PM

13k and 10bb in 20 innings? Yikes.

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Posted 08 May 2013 - 04:27 PM

13k and 10bb in 20 innings? Yikes.

 

The only number there that I really care about is the 20 innings. It's great to see the kid back on the mound. That's a start. After he gets through a season where he consistently logs innings (and hopefully finds his stuff again), I'll focus in more on the results.

 

(I do agree with the basic point though that his control will have to improve.)



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Posted 08 May 2013 - 10:26 PM

The only number there that I really care about is the 20 innings. It's great to see the kid back on the mound. That's a start. After he gets through a season where he consistently logs innings (and hopefully finds his stuff again), I'll focus in more on the results.

 

(I do agree with the basic point though that his control will have to improve.)

I don't know. Hard for me to look at a 23 year old struggling with control in the SAL league as doing "well" as Melewski put it.



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Posted 08 May 2013 - 11:58 PM

I don't know. Hard for me to look at a 23 year old struggling with control in the SAL league as doing "well" as Melewski put it.

 

 

He's 22.  His WHIP is about 1.00 and he's 3-0.   Considering that he hasn't pitched in a year and a half and that he's coming off of major shoulder surgery, I don't think "he's doing well" is out of line.



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Posted 11 May 2013 - 01:13 AM

He's 22.  His WHIP is about 1.00 and he's 3-0.   Considering that he hasn't pitched in a year and a half and that he's coming off of major shoulder surgery, I don't think "he's doing well" is out of line.

W/L record means nothing lol. Especially for a reliever in A ball.






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