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[mweb08]

This, and while I don't condone what he said (I don't even know what he said), he was apparently 17 years old at the time and said some stupid stuff. Which he owned up to. So in that sense I think maybe some people are getting kind of tired of these life lookbacks and tearing people apart over them. From all accounts he's been a stand-up guy in Milwaukee. Not saying a standing ovation is was in order but I can kinda understand it.

I'm not trying to tear the guy down. But what he said goes beyond saying some stupid stuff as a 17 year old.

I do though appreciate his contrition since the tweets surfaced and I appreciate what his minority teammates have said about him. So I assume he's progressed in these matters, hopefully by a lot.

[bnickle]

I do get the optics of it and how some people look at it like WTF Brewers fans but I really dont believe thats what it is.

He was a kid who said stupid shit that he'll never live down in a lot of ways. Thats tough if youre truly contrite or as he claims it was never who he was to begin with

[CA-ORIOLE]

I'm not trying to tear the guy down. But what he said goes beyond saying some stupid stuff as a 17 year old.

I do though appreciate his contrition since the tweets surfaced and I appreciate what his minority teammates have said about him. So I assume he's progressed in these matters, hopefully by a lot.

Not saying you are but it is a common theme these days with life markings on the internet. He's what 24 now, apparently in good standing, apparently a good guy, owned up to it. Why did even need to be raised much less attend additional mandatory sensitivity training. Maybe in the context of something new I could get it. I guess we have to get him checked out though. 

 

Don't really want to dig much further in this Mike. Have the last word, 

[You Play to Win the Game]

If a player had past tweets bashing the military, Christianity, white people, or America, do you think that player receives the same support?

So true. Pretty mind boggling, honestly.

[mweb08]

Not saying you are but it is a common theme these days with life markings on the internet. He's what 24 now, apparently in good standing, apparently a good guy, owned up to it. Why did even need to be raised much less attend additional mandatory sensitivity training. Maybe in the context of something new I could get it. I guess we have to get him checked out though.

Don't really want to dig much further in this Mike. Have the last word,

Like I said, hopefully he's changed a lot. That said, I don't have an issue with peers, the media, the public, and/or the company (MLB in this case) following up on hateful tweets from ones past, especially when the KKK was brought up in a positive way.

A good lesson for everyone is not to post bigoted things on social media, or better yet, don't believe them to begin with.

[SportsGuy]

I do get the optics of it and how some people look at it like WTF Brewers fans but I really dont believe thats what it is.

He was a kid who said stupid shit that he'll never live down in a lot of ways. Thats tough if youre truly contrite or as he claims it was never who he was to begin with

I’m not like some and want to treat everything about color and race. That being said, when they panned the stands, it was all white people standing for him.

Again, to use your word, the optics don’t look good.

Now, where I’m not willing to take this (and where I’m sure many would take it) is that this is some white privilege thing and that the Brewers fans are racist and stuff like that.

I believe the thinking behind it is exactly what you are saying. Still, I think it was a bit over the top. I get it but still think it’s one or 2 steps too far.

[bnickle]

I’m not like some and want to treat everything about color and race. That being said, when they panned the stands, it was all white people standing for him.

Again, to use your word, the optics don’t look good.

Now, where I’m not willing to take this (and where I’m sure many would take it) is that this is some white privilege thing and that the Brewers fans are racist and stuff like that.

I believe the thinking behind it is exactly what you are saying. Still, I think it was a bit over the top. I get it but still think it’s one or 2 steps too far.

What is one or two steps back if youre just a regular Brewers fan? What other way can they show support. I know some will scoff at this here but whatever. If Hader is being real now, if thats never what was truly in his heart, he is a sympathetic figure. He let words come out of his mouth that didn't really represent who he was. He likely didnt even know who he was a 17. I will say I have no sympathy for say John Rocker at 30 something years old for the stuff he said.

[CA-ORIOLE]

Here we go. How much of a media storm would there even be if a player bashed white Christians. .

None. I doubt it would even get a snippet on Fox News. 

[You Play to Win the Game]

Can't imagine why one would be a story and the other wouldn't.

[SportsGuy]

bnickle, on 23 Jul 2018 - 20:25, said:
What is one or two steps back if youre just a regular Brewers fan? What other way can they show support. I know some will scoff at this here but whatever. If Hader, is being real now, if thats never what was truly in his heart, he is a sysympathetic figure. He let words come out of his mouth that didn't really represent who he was. He likely didnt even know who he was a 17. I will say I have no sympathy for say John Rocker at 30 something years old for the stuff he said.

Just a normal applause. Show support but no need for a longer standing ovation.

BTW, knowing the area he grew up in, I am not all that surprised this was how he thought (or how he thought he should think) back in high school.

[mweb08]

I'm sure that if let's say a hypothetical Muslim player had said hateful stuff about White Christians, it would have gotten plenty of attention. I'm also pretty sure that the reception for that player would not have been as positive as it was for Hader.

[Il BuonO]

Brewers get Gio Gonzalez. He doesn’t move the needle.

[CA-ORIOLE]

Also got Granderson and a lefty reliever fro the White Sox (Cedeno)

[Dystopia]

Brewers get Gio Gonzalez. He doesn’t move the needle.

Their team management has been a real cluster. No idea what they're doing or what their direction is. Nothing they've done makes sense.

[SportsGuy]

A 2 homer and 3 RBI day by Yelich today puts him in position to win the Triple Crown, depending on what Arenado does.

[Pedro Cerrano]

I drafted Yelich in at least one of my leagues each of the past few years -- this year I didn't and he decides to break out.

 

Now I have to sweat out the play in games because of the stupid rule that these count towards the regular season.

 

Ugh..

[Pedro Cerrano]

That said, Yelich is really awesome.

 

Marlins could have an OF of Yelich Ozuna and Stanton.  I'd be pissed if I was one of their fans. 

[Nigel Tufnel]

Schoop at 2B and batting 5th today.

[Nigel Tufnel]

1 RBI for Yelich...

[SportsGuy]

Brewers are division champs.