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[TwentyThirtyFive]

I have to think they want a quality SP or SP prospect. So start with Gibson. Would they want Povich too. Still those arent top pieces in a trade. Do they have any need for Mayo. Probably not. Would Beavers work?? Not sure of their OF situation.


Gibson, Povich, Beavers, De Leon and Aloy??

[Slidemaster]

Povich is the 4th piece in the deal if he's in it at all.

[BSLMikeLowe]

While the $13M difference in arbitration numbers doesn’t seem like a lot, maybe the price depends on who wins.

[TwentyThirtyFive]

While the $13M difference in arbitration numbers doesn’t seem like a lot, maybe the price depends on who wins.

That was part of the theory Jester threw out yesterday in regards to a Skubal trade. I think its more likely he is traded if he wins and I expect him to win.

[BSLMikeLowe]

That was part of the theory Jester threw out yesterday in regards to a Skubal trade. I think its more likely he is traded if he wins and I expect him to win.

The other theory is that this is less about Skubal vs Detroit and more about MLB vs MLBPA to try and demonstrate how viable, or not, the current arbitration system is going forward.

[Slidemaster]

The price on Skubal is probably too high to consider making a deal. I'm not trading Mayo, Beavers, and Gibson for one year of a guy that is gone the second the season ends.

[glenn__davis]

Povich is the 4th piece in the deal if he's in it at all.

 

Well he'd be the 5th piece in the deal that 2035 suggested.

[weird-O]

Does this exercise come with a contract extension? If not, then I'll pass. Sign him next winter, and keep your stable of ponies.

[BSLSteveBirrer]

Does this exercise come with a contract extension? If not, then I'll pass. Sign him next winter, and keep your stable of ponies.

Just disagree with this approach. Our stable of ponies are best used for trades. Now maybe Skubal isn't the guy you go after but its clear as heck now that we are not signing a FA top quality SP. So trades is the path we can use.

[Mackus]

Basallo or Holliday have to be in the deal or else we can't make the best offer.  We could probably make an offer that meets Detroit's price tag (assuming they decide to listen) without either of those two, but another team would offer more.

[BSLSteveBirrer]

Basallo or Holliday have to be in the deal or else we can't make the best offer.  We could probably make an offer that meets Detroit's price tag (assuming they decide to listen) without either of those two, but another team would offer more.

Does any team out there have more to offer than the O's? I don't know but seems like the O's are in a pretty good position to be able to make a true block buster deal (Skubal or Skenes).

[Mackus]

Does any team out there have more to offer than the O's? I don't know but seems like the O's are in a pretty good position to be able to make a true block buster deal (Skubal or Skenes).

 

Without including Basallo or Holliday?  Yes, many teams.  Think I saw that Law ranked our system 9th?  And that's including Basallo.  So plenty of teams have more to offer.  

 

Just cherry picking some examples...Boston has #12, #40, #62 and 64 (Keith Law's rankings) plus Kristian Campbell and Marcelo Mayer they could consider.  The Dodgers have #9, #20, #36, #51, #55, #65, and #87 plus Roki Sasaki.  Phillies have #6, #22, #48 and #86. Mariners have #4, #21, #28, #40, #71, #77 and #90.

[mdrunning]

I am not in favor of giving up players such as Basallo or Holliday for a one-year rental.

 

As for teams that could possibly offer enough to pry Paul Skenes away from the Pirates, the Mets and Tigers have to be considered as well. Detroit has good depth at both the major and minor league level, while the Mets are deeper in pitching prospects. On the surface, that doesn't appear to match because it wouldn't make sense to trade controllable pitching for controllable pitching. 

 

I think the Tigers are going to try and make one last run with a rotation headed by Skubal and new acquisition Framber Valdez. This is likely the only season they'll be able to pair those two in their rotation.

[Slidemaster]

Without including Basallo or Holliday? Yes, many teams. Think I saw that Law ranked our system 9th? And that's including Basallo. So plenty of teams have more to offer.

Just cherry picking some examples...Boston has #12, #40, #62 and 64 (Keith Law's rankings) plus Kristian Campbell and Marcelo Mayer they could consider. The Dodgers have #9, #20, #36, #51, #55, #65, and #87 plus Roki Sasaki. Phillies have #6, #22, #48 and #86. Mariners have #4, #21, #28, #40, #71, #77 and #90.

It is straight up stupid that the Dodgers have 7 top 100 prospects as well as more money than the rest of the league combined.

[weird-O]

Just disagree with this approach. Our stable of ponies are best used for trades. Now maybe Skubal isn't the guy you go after but its clear as heck now that we are not signing a FA top quality SP. So trades is the path we can use.

I agree that using prospects to acquire pitching is a good idea. Just not this volume of prospects for a 1 year return. The Baz trade is a good trade, because he'll be here for 3 years (if I remember correctly). If I thought the O's were a TOR pitcher away from being a seriously favorite to make the WS, then you may be able to convince me. I don't think they are.  

[BSLSteveBirrer]

I agree that using prospects to acquire pitching is a good idea. Just not this volume of prospects for a 1 year return. The Baz trade is a good trade, because he'll be here for 3 years (if I remember correctly). If I thought the O's were a TOR pitcher away from being a seriously favorite to make the WS, then you may be able to convince me. I don't think they are.

You sound like Elias....lol

He's got X years of control always his primary point instead of how good they are.

[Mackus]

I agree that using prospects to acquire pitching is a good idea. Just not this volume of prospects for a 1 year return. The Baz trade is a good trade, because he'll be here for 3 years (if I remember correctly). If I thought the O's were a TOR pitcher away from being a seriously favorite to make the WS, then you may be able to convince me. I don't think they are.  

 

I think if you added Skubal to this team that the O's would be as good as anyone else in the American League.  Still relying on better-than-'25 performance from several of the young hitters and hoping for good performance from a lot of bullpen arms, but a really rock solid roster overall.

 

Slubal isn't just a "get you over the hump" type piece.  He's like an 8-10 WAR guy.  The difference between him and Kremer or Eflin, would be hard to understate.  

 

I doubt the Tigers seriously consider moving him right now and highly doubt the O's would win the arms race for him even if they did, but its real fun to dream on the team on paper if you added him.

[makoman]

I think if you added Skubal to this team that the O's would be as good as anyone else in the American League.  Still relying on better-than-'25 performance from several of the young hitters and hoping for good performance from a lot of bullpen arms, but a really rock solid roster overall.

 

Slubal isn't just a "get you over the hump" type piece.  He's like an 8-10 WAR guy.  The difference between him and Kremer or Eflin, would be hard to understate.  

 

I doubt the Tigers seriously consider moving him right now and highly doubt the O's would win the arms race for him even if they did, but its real fun to dream on the team on paper if you added him.

Pushing everyone down a slot is huge. Getting CY level production from your 2 and maybe your 3 if Bradish is healthy and Rogers repeats would be insane, you wouldn't even need the offense to get all the way back. I guess it's what the 90s Braves felt like, 95 Braves won it all with a 91 OPS+.

[weird-O]

You sound like Elias....lol

He's got X years of control always his primary point instead of how good they are.

You're in such a hurry to be right, that your not taking a beat to read what I'm saying. If I sound like Elias, it's strictly related to this trade proposal. I've already said that I'm all for trading prospects. I'm even cool with doing so for a 1 year rental. Remember the trade for Andrew Miller? That was a big price tag. I was all for it, even though we knew Miller was a one post season rental. I was all for it, because the O's had the goods to go to the WS. This trade would be very different. If it were to happen, and the O's had another 2014 "what the hell just happened" ALCS, the chasm left in the system, and probably in a spot or two of the ML lineup, would be felt for years. And short of Ownership saying, "screw it, we'll buy their replacements", this franchise would experience another dreadful, competitive setback. Even if they won the WS, that chasm would still be there.   

[weird-O]

I think if you added Skubal to this team that the O's would be as good as anyone else in the American League.  Still relying on better-than-'25 performance from several of the young hitters and hoping for good performance from a lot of bullpen arms, but a really rock solid roster overall.

 

Slubal isn't just a "get you over the hump" type piece.  He's like an 8-10 WAR guy.  The difference between him and Kremer or Eflin, would be hard to understate.  

 

I doubt the Tigers seriously consider moving him right now and highly doubt the O's would win the arms race for him even if they did, but its real fun to dream on the team on paper if you added him.

If the Elias era O's had even just 1 post season win, I might be swayed.