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[mikezpen]

Gallen's ERA has risen last 3 yrs. and was bad last yr. I wouldn't risk `10 zillion dollars for 9 years for this guy.  And Framber's gonna want an even more ridiculous contract.

 

If they can work a trade for somebody GOOD.ok.

[Slidemaster]

I'd give them a B+ if they stopped now and a B if they sign Valdez to anything longer than 3 years.

[Slidemaster]

Gallen's ERA has risen last 3 yrs. and was bad last yr. I wouldn't risk `10 zillion dollars for 9 years for this guy. And Framber's gonna want an even more ridiculous contract.

If they can work a trade for somebody GOOD.ok.

Nobody is going to give Gallen that. He's going to tske a 1 year deal for like 15 million to prove he is worth a longer deal next year.

[dude]

Still are the Orioles according to Jon Heyman. I strongly suspect there is no veracity to the report. Even there old news or bad source. I don't believe Giolito is a Boras agent, if he were it'd feel like classic manipulation of Heyman from Boras.

 

He's Boras....so bolded is likely correct.  COTs and BBRef still have him with CAA but it looks like that's just not updated.  Boras was in the negotiations for the RedSox contract. Often these sites put "...formerly XYZ" and you don't see that in BBRef if he'd moved back to CAA recently.

[dude]

Nobody is going to give Gallen that. He's going to tske a 1 year deal for like 15 million to prove he is worth a longer deal next year.

 

...well....he's desperately going to look to get more than the QO in year 1 because he's gonna look like a moron for rejecting the QO if he doesn't.  He could slink back to AZ and try to get 22.5M, that would take QO out of play for next year, give him a year to perform and bridge back to Burnes for the Team.

 

...at some point it feels like "waiting for injuries in ST" to find someone with a need.

[BSLChrisStoner]

For Skenes, Pittsburgh can have everything... Mayo, Beavers, Gibson, George, De Leon

That's a ton, but legitimately don't know if it gets Skenes.
Offer might have to start with Basallo, and I'd be good with that.
Yes, I know in reality it's not happening.
 

Again, know in reality the O's aren't getting Skenes. 

Just curious if you think Mayo, Beavers, Gibson, George, De Leon gets you close? 

And if not, who here would give the Pirates Basallo, Mayo, Beavers, Gibson, George if that got it done? 

[Slidemaster]

...well....he's desperately going to look to get more than the QO in year 1 because he's gonna look like a moron for rejecting the QO if he doesn't. He could slink back to AZ and try to get 22.5M, that would take QO out of play for next year, give him a year to perform and bridge back to Burnes for the Team.

...at some point it feels like "waiting for injuries in ST" to find someone with a need.

He already looks like an idiot, but we will see. What I'm certain of is that he isn't getting 6 years and hundreds of millions.

[dude]

Zero interest in any FAs because I don't think they improve the rotation.

 

I think Eflin was signed to start so any movement would be about what you do with Kremer.

 

Twins: The Derek Falvey thing yesterday is fascinating.  Go check. Ryan agreed to 6.2M in ARB2.  Losing that money isn't a big deal so I don't know what else they'd need/want to do, but the approach could be dramatically different than 48 hours ago.  Get Buxton too and go crazy?  I don't know....check.

 

Brewers: Again, the Peralta deal seems pretty mid for the future and throwing away 2026 opportunity.  Given the Peralta trade...would they move Woodruff now?  I think he has to give approval or something with QO structure, but you can ask.  With Peralta gone, would he take a trade?  Woodruff for Kremer+ would actually be a pretty big savings for the Crew and give them an extra year of control.  

 

Reds: I'd stay on Lodolo.  Not sure the Orioles have the right pieces.  No interest in Singer, he feels like a more expensive version of Kremer with less control.

[BobPhelan]

I'd give them a B+ if they stopped now and a B if they sign Valdez to anything longer than 3 years.

I’m at a B+ right now as well but A+ if we add Framber, A- if we add Gallen.

Gallen did have a good second half, I’m starting to come around on him if they think they can get that side out of him. 2 or 3 year deal would be ok.

[Mackus]

I’m at a B+ right now as well but A+ if we add Framber, A- if we add Gallen.

Gallen did have a good second half, I’m starting to come around on him if they think they can get that side out of him. 2 or 3 year deal would be ok.

 

Can't be an A+ with Valdez as the top rotation add, IMO.  Replace him with Peralta or Suarez or I really liked Imai and I'm with you.  Think its a solid A with Valdez, but he's got too many potential warts to be what drives the offseason from a B/B+ to A+.

 

Guess that depends on price.  If he signs a 2- or 3-year deal, then sure, A+.  That minimal of a commitment would balance out the concerns.

[85Knight]

I think we're sitting on a B right now with a move to an A with Valdez. Get him for 3 years or less and I might consider an A+.

[BSLSteveBirrer]

Giving this offseason a D is crazy. Come on man. Many pundits have named us as one of the winners of the off-season as it stands now.

The offense is improved for sure.
Bullpen is not as good.
Defense is still weak
But the one where you'll all disagree and thats ok. I am not sure our rotation is much better than we thought it was going into last season. We had a bunch of concerns and ifs going into last season and its no different this year except the names are different. Now I expect that come July the rotation will prove to be better than what we had last year.

Now all that said I am a tough grader. Elias said #1 priority was to get a front end guy. He got Baz which is a big question and brought Eflin back which has even bigger questions. So thats my grade. He said X and he hasn't yet come close to doing so. So he his main grade is an F but since I am so nice I let him do extra credit to bring his grade up.

Now as to all those pundits reports I agree. They all said very positive things. But also every single one I have read have also said that the O's still need a front end starter. Every....single....one. 😋

[Mackus]

The rotation even with no more additions is better than this time a year ago. I don't see how you can argue otherwise.

Bradish > Eflin
Rogers > Kremer
Baz = Rodriguez
Kremer > Morton
Eflin > Sugano

I'll hear an argument for Grayson over Baz but that's the only debatable one, IMO.

Last year's rotation heading into the season was an absolute failure of an off-season. So better than that is not the bar I want to clear. But they did clear it. I'll agree that they haven't (yet) met the expectation for the rotation heading into 2026.

[Slidemaster]

The offense is improved for sure.
Bullpen is not as good.
Defense is still weak
But the one where you'll all disagree and thats ok. I am not sure our rotation is much better than we thought it was going into last season. We had a bunch of concerns and ifs going into last season and its no different this year except the names are different. Now I expect that come July the rotation will prove to be better than what we had last year.

Now all that said I am a tough grader. Elias said #1 priority was to get a front end guy. He got Baz which is a big question and brought Eflin back which has even bigger questions. So thats my grade. He said X and he hasn't yet come close to doing so. So he his main grade is an F but since I am so nice I let him do extra credit to bring his grade up.

Now as to all those pundits reports I agree. They all said very positive things. But also every single one I have read have also said that the O's still need a front end starter. Every....single....one. 😋

How many teams in the league *don't* need a front end starter? 3?

Last year our rotation leader was Eflin. This year he isn't even a guarantee to start as the #5.

The rotation is WAY better than last year already.

[BSLSteveBirrer]

My argument is that yall are basing too much of viewing last year's rotation on hindsight. But I do agree its better....a bit.

Now IF Rogers is close to what we saw last year then yeah its measurable better.

[Slidemaster]

My argument is that yall are basing too much of viewing last year's rotation on hindsight. But I do agree its better....a bit.

Now IF Rogers is close to what we saw last year then yeah its measurable better.

I think you have a pretty binary view of the offseason - either it's a total failure or a smashing success based on what they do with pitching. There is no earthly justification for this offseason being a D. None. Not even if all you judged was pitching acquisitions.

[BSLSteveBirrer]

I think you have a pretty binary view of the offseason - either it's a total failure or a smashing success based on what they do with pitching. There is no earthly justification for this offseason being a D. None. Not even if all you judged was pitching acquisitions.

Thats actually pretty close. I wasnt that concerned with upgrading the offense. I was concerned with upgrading the pitching.

But since its my grade its my rules....😂

[BobPhelan]

Can't be an A+ with Valdez as the top rotation add, IMO. Replace him with Peralta or Suarez or I really liked Imai and I'm with you. Think its a solid A with Valdez, but he's got too many potential warts to be what drives the offseason from a B/B+ to A+.

Guess that depends on price. If he signs a 2- or 3-year deal, then sure, A+. That minimal of a commitment would balance out the concerns.

I had Cease and Valdez has the top SP targets (and Imai but never felt realistic). I guess how you view Valdez is how I would’ve viewed Suarez.

[Slidemaster]

Thats actually pretty close. I wasnt that concerned with upgrading the offense. I was concerned with upgrading the pitching.

But since its my grade its my rules....😂

Considering how terrible the offense was last year I think it 100% needed to be addressed.

[85Knight]

Thats actually pretty close. I wasnt that concerned with upgrading the offense. I was concerned with upgrading the pitching.

But since its my grade its my rules....😂

I think the offense was just as much of a problem as the starting pitching and if you factor in expectations it was much more of a disappointment. Not to mention that it's easier to pitch knowing that you don't have to pitch shutouts night in and night out. If the pitching and the offense both live up to expectations this year the bigger improvement will be with the offense.