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[Mackus]

No draft pick lost for Alonso, since he opted out.

The Mets could not offer Alonso because they did so a year ago. Players can only be issued a Qualifying Offer 1 time now under the current CBA. Bregman and Bellinger are other guys that were ineligible and as such have no compensation attached.

[Slidemaster]

I'm sure that factored into their decision to pursue him hard.

[TwentyThirtyFive]

You're missing my point. It's not that they tanked to rebuild. Do what you feel like you need to do, to create that steady pipeline of talent and win. My point is that the rebuild should yield better results than being the 7th worst team in the sport, within the same span of time as it took to rebuild.

You know things can happen during a single year. There were 3 winning seasons and two playoff appearances up until last year. The rebuild has worked even though they fell flat last year. If they follow it up this year with another poor to mediocre campaign I can better understand any complaining. I expect last year to be an outlier and not the start of a new trend. They will win in 2026

[weird-O]

You know things can happen during a single year. There were 3 winning seasons and two playoff appearances up until last year. The rebuild has worked even though they fell flat last year. If they follow it up this year with another poor to mediocre campaign I can better understand any complaining. I expect last year to be an outlier and not the start of a new trend. They will win in 2026

I agree with you, but it's because Elias is acting with more urgency for the first time since he was hired. Be honest, when the O's won 101 and made the playoffs, did you say, This is great, but next year they'll fade down the stretch. And in 2 seasons, they'll be vying for 1:1 again.  

[TwentyThirtyFive]

I agree with you, but it's because Elias is acting with more urgency for the first time since he was hired. Be honest, when the O's won 101 and made the playoffs, did you say, This is great, but next year they'll fade down the stretch. And in 2 seasons, they'll be vying for 1:1 again.  

I understood it was possible. I was expressing concern about some things in 2023. I dont get all the angst about 2025 at this point. You certainly werent  open to the possibility that the FO/new ownership could change things up this offseason

[weird-O]

I understood it was possible. I was expressing concern about some things in 2023. I dont get all the angst about 2025 at this point. You certainly werent  open to the possibility that the FO/new ownership could change things up this offseason

Me personally? Yes, I was open to the possibility. Because Rubenstein commented that there were no financial restraints. But I wasn't certain that Elias would do something like chase Schwarber and/or Alonso. I was definitely in the "I'll believe it when I see it" camp. 

[BSLChrisStoner]

[Slidemaster]

Is Grady Emerson the brother of Colt Emerson?

[Slidemaster]

It makes total sense to project them taking a shortstop, because it seems like they always do. However, I'd love to see them take a pitcher.

[makoman]

It makes total sense to project them taking a short stop, because it seems like they always do. However, I'd love to see them take a pitcher.

The season hasn’t even started yet. Projections are mostly pointless, everything can change. Would you project the 2027 NFL draft today?

[RichardZ]

It makes total sense to project them taking a short stop, because it seems like they always do. However, I'd love to see them take a pitcher.

They’ve taken a SS with their first pick …….. once! Holliday in 2022.

[Slidemaster]

They’ve taken a SS with their first pick …….. once! Holliday in 2022.

They take a lot of shortstops with early picks. They have since Elias took over. I seem to recall him saying that they did that because shortstops tend to be the best athletes on the field and can play other positions if needed.

Just counted - 10 SS taken within the first 5 rounds since Elias took over.

[RichardZ]

They take a lot of shortstops with early picks. They have since Elias took over. I seem to recall him saying that they did that because shortstops tend to be the best athletes on the field and xan play other positions if needed.

Just counted - 10 SS taken within the first 5 rounds since Elias took over.

The thread showed a mock of the first 10 picks, showing who our first pick is projected to be. We’ve only taken a SS once with our top pick. A SS makes sense if there’s a deserving one at #7. We’ve taken Cowser, Kjerstad, Bradfield, Honeycutt, and it looks like Irish is going to be developed as an outfielder, so our drafting history on first picks is strongly tilted towards outfielders.

They might take a SS this year but your post, based on the OP, made it sound like that’s what we should expect since that’s the way they usually go, when it’s not the way they’ve usually gone.

[Slidemaster]

The thread showed a mock of the first 10 picks, showing who our first pick is projected to be. We’ve only taken a SS once with our top pick. A SS makes sense if there’s a deserving one at #7. We’ve taken Cowser, Kjerstad, Bradfield, Honeycutt, and it looks like Irish is going to be developed as an outfielder, so our drafting history on first picks is strongly tilted towards outfielders.

Considering there are 3x more outfielders on a baseball team than there are any other non-pitcher position, that math maths.

[RichardZ]

Considering there are 3x more outfielders on a baseball team than there are any other non-pitcher position, that math maths.

I thought SS could play anywhere.

[Slidemaster]

I thought SS could play anywhere.

Why would you say that?

[BSLChrisStoner]

Why would you say that?

Because SS are typically the best most versatile defenders coming up.

Not everyone can stick at SS as they progress professionally, but every professional SS has an excellent chance of playing defensively anywhere else.

[Slidemaster]

Because SS are typically the best most versatile defenders coming up.

Not everyone can stick at SS as they progress professionally, but every professional SS has an excellent chance of playing defensively anywhere else.

I know this - I actually said it above. He's just being snarky about me saying that by deliberately misinterpreting it to shortstops being able to "play anywhere," which isn't true. They can however frequently be moved to certain other positions without too much trouble.

[RichardZ]

I know this - I actually said it above. He's just being snarky about me saying that by deliberately misinterpreting it to shortstops being able to "play anywhere," which isn't true. They can however frequently be moved to certain other positions without too much trouble.

Certain other positions wouldn’t include LF, CF, or RF?

Bottom line. This thread was about our pick at #7. You said “It makes total sense projecting them taking a SS”. Based on their drafting history this statement made no sense. When I pointed that out you moved the goalposts to how many SS they ‘ve taken in the first 5 rounds. When I again mentioned they’ve taken predominantly OF with their first pick, you said, well yeah, there’s three OF and one SS so that makes sense.

So now, do you still think it makes total sense that they’ll take a SS at #7 and why that makes total sense?

[JeremyStrain]

Because SS are typically the best pure athletes coming up.

Not everyone can stick at SS as they progress professionally, but every professional SS has an excellent chance of playing defensively anywhere else.

Tweaked that for you a tiny bit. Doesn't change the gist.