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[bmore_ken]

This is totally a knee jerk response to another piss poor effort but would anyone on the board consider a total teardown and rebuild? Including shopping Lamar for multiple high draft picks?

I don't think that's needed. An easier solution would be to fix the lines. But if I know EDC his first draft pick in the upcoming draft will be another DB,

[bmore_ken]

Come on, man. Are we just going to absolve Lamar of any responsibility? 

There's a lot of blame to go around, including Lamar. But it's hard to put the blame on him when the defense is making bad offenses look like world beaters. 

[BSLJamieSieck]

There's a lot of blame to go around, including Lamar. But it's hard to put the blame on him when the defense is making bad offenses look like world beaters. 

 

Don't misunderstand me, it's never all on one player, good or bad. But because of how incredible Lamar has been at his best (along with all of the outside criticism he gets) I feel like Ravens' fans tend to circle the wagons around him. 

 

The QB is never the only reason for winning or losing but they're certainly a giant part of both. 

[NewMarketSean]

The offense hasn't scored more than 23 points since 11/9 vs the Vikings.

 

I think there's plenty of blame to go around on offense and defense. And coaching.

 

For what was being billed as "the most talented Ravens roster' ever, delivering a 6-7 record after 14 weeks is a massive failure.

[BaltBird 24]

The roster just wasn't good enough. Too much neglect on the OL and pass rush. Relying on elderly Kyle Van Noy, Oweh, rookie Green, and of course the career ending injury to Madubiuke.

[hallas]

Come on, man. Are we just going to absolve Lamar of any responsibility? Like Harbaugh and his repeated in-game failures, Lamar is just a babe in the woods that bears no part of the blame for this organization constantly coming up short of expectations?

 

You think I'm just making some broad generalization without evidence to support the assertion?

 

You're going to make me defend Josh Allen here....at least he wasn't the primary reason behind his team falling short to KC in the postseason. Allen has done enough to win, only to be undone by the Bills defense and Mahomes' theatrics.

 

Of course, you have to put other ingredients into the Ravens "failure stew" during the Lamar Era but to just throw your hands up and say "oh well, better luck next year" yet again, is peak ostrich syndrome. It's certainly fair to ask the question.

 

Lamar's the reason expectations are so high to begin with, so it's tough to put more than a little bit of blame on him.  Do we blame him less if he's a worse quarterback but gets hot in the playoffs?

[85Knight]

I went to the NFL rulebook to attempt to clear up any confusion (yeah, right, lol) but here's the NFL's own verbiage.....

A player who makes a catch may advance the ball. A forward pass is complete (by the offense) or intercepted (by the defense) in the field of play, at the sideline, or in the end zone if a player, who is inbounds:
(a) secures control of the ball in his hands or arms prior to the ball touching the ground; and
(b) touches the ground inbounds with both feet or with any part of his body other than his hands; and
© after (a) and (b) have been fulfilled, clearly performs any act common to the game (e.g., extend the ball forward, take an additional step, tuck the ball away and turn upfield, or avoid or ward off an opponent), or he maintains control of the ball long enough to do so.

Based on the NFL's catch rule language, Likely's play should've been a TD.

We got screwed no doubt. The NFL will send the Ravens an apology letter and say carry on. Unbelievable.

[makoman]

From a Jeff Z tweet, Harbs said the league admitted they botched the Travis Jones FG penalty. 4 pretty important points.

[1970]

The roster just wasn't good enough. Too much neglect on the OL and pass rush. Relying on elderly Kyle Van Noy, Oweh, rookie Green, and of course the career ending injury to Madubiuke.

 

This is a bit off topic, but I still remember when Washington first hired Joe Gibbs.  In the introductory press conference Gibbs and GM Bobby Beathard both said that they believed the way to build a football team is from the lines back (on both sides of the ball).  That doesn’t mean you pass on franchise QB in favor of drafting a d-lineman.  It just means that you should add good linemen any chance you get, and don’t just draft them as an afterthought.  Gibbs also felt it was very important to hire really good OL coaches (and he had some good ones).  Some of you may also recall that the Giants used to always draft defensive linemen any time they had a chance to do so, regardless of how strong their line was.  That was a practice that was started by former Colts executive George Young.

[Mackus]

I hate it when what should be a skin-of-your-teeth win becomes a close loss because of some freak play or bad call and then all the chatter after the game about the bizarre play drowns out what should be the pertinent conversation about what the hell was the game so close for anyways. and I really hate how often that's seemed to happen here lately.

[TwentyThirtyFive]

Come on, man. Are we just going to absolve Lamar of any responsibility? Like Harbaugh and his repeated in-game failures, Lamar is just a babe in the woods that bears no part of the blame for this organization constantly coming up short of expectations?

You think I'm just making some broad generalization without evidence to support the assertion?

You're going to make me defend Josh Allen here....at least he wasn't the primary reason behind his team falling short to KC in the postseason. Allen has done enough to win, only to be undone by the Bills defense and Mahomes' theatrics.

Of course, you have to put other ingredients into the Ravens "failure stew" during the Lamar Era but to just throw your hands up and say "oh well, better luck next year" yet again, is peak ostrich syndrome. It's certainly fair to ask the question.

Like I said, Lamar isnt perfect. He has flaws. Maybe running an efficient 2 min drill is one of them. Maybe his checks or hot calls at the LOS is one of them. Every QB has flaws that some people harp on and claim is a fatal flaw until that guy wins a championship. Its watercooler BS. Everyone should conclude that Lamar is capable of winning a ring whether he ultimately does win one or not.

[NewMarketSean]

BTW, I told you we'd lose at least one to the Steelers. We always do. NMS still batting .250.

[1970]

https://www.nbcsport...ugh-to-catch-it

[Mackus]

Voorhees and Faalale both have a chance to pass Gino Gradkowski in my mind as the worst player to start a full season for the Ravens. Pretty impressive.

[Nigel Tufnel]

https://www.nbcsport...ugh-to-catch-it

 

If I were Hurts, I'd be quietly lobbying for it not to be ruled a possession/fumble, since the outcome of the play wouldn't change and I wouldn't have to be in the books as having committed two turnovers on the same play.