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[BSLMattJergensen]

BSL: Ravens in Need of a Reality Check at the Bye

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[jamesdean]

Good read, Matt. Unfortunately, the complacency starts at the top with Bisciotti. I've never sensed an urgency from ownership during the Harbaugh era, with more importance being placed on stability and regular season success. If post season ineptitude mattered to Bisciotti, he would have moved on from Harbaugh years ago.

[BaltBird 24]

Can't really blame Biscotti for being gun shy in making changes at the top. Prior to this season, the Ravens have been a ridiculous 70-24 with Lamar starting. Yeah, plenty of playoff disappointment, but anything can happen in a 1 game elimination tournament.

Granted, I do agree Harbaugh would've been gone long ago had they not struck gold with Lamar and continued being stagnant like they were in the later Flacco years.

[bmore_ken]

Good read, Matt. Unfortunately, the complacency starts at the top with Bisciotti. I've never sensed an urgency from ownership during the Harbaugh era, with more importance being placed on stability and regular season success. If post season ineptitude mattered to Bisciotti, he would have moved on from Harbaugh years ago.

Agree 100% I've been saying that for years

[BSLMattJergensen]

Good read, Matt. Unfortunately, the complacency starts at the top with Bisciotti. I've never sensed an urgency from ownership during the Harbaugh era, with more importance being placed on stability and regular season success. If post season ineptitude mattered to Bisciotti, he would have moved on from Harbaugh years ago.

 

Thank you so much. Bisciotti hasn't seemed a involved for a while. We can remember the "State of the Ravens" pressers he would do at the end of the season but that seems long ago.

 

I appreciate consistency but the top brass are all a bit too comfortable in my opinion. Every head coach has a shelf life. There are usually two clear camps when it comes to Harbs - either you are sick of him or you feel he should be able to decide when he wants to leave. Eighteen years is a long time.

[TwentyThirtyFive]

Its stupid to be on either side of a HC extreme. Im clearly in the Harbaugh is a damn good HC camp. There are cirumstances where damn good coaches need to move on. I dont think we are there but we will see wat the next few months bring

[BSLMattJergensen]

Can't really blame Biscotti for being gun shy in making changes at the top. Prior to this season, the Ravens have been a ridiculous 70-24 with Lamar starting. Yeah, plenty of playoff disappointment, but anything can happen in a 1 game elimination tournament.

Granted, I do agree Harbaugh would've been gone long ago had they not struck gold with Lamar and continued being stagnant like they were in the later Flacco years.

 

I think its a fair point. If he's happy with multiple playoff runs and being in the Super Bowl conversation every year then he won't complain. They've had a lot of regular season success.

 

But shouldn't the real goal be to win championships? 

 

It's not an easy thing to do by any means and the fact that the Ravens have two in twenty nine seasons is pretty impressive. 

 

It was a bold move drafting Lamar and it's paid off in a lot of regular season success but I wonder if they missed their best chances at getting to a Super Bowl and blew several of the opportunities they had.

[TwentyThirtyFive]

Regardless, wasting time complaining about the HC is pointless right now. Hes not going to be fired midseason. We are presumably getting our MVP QB back so the focus should be clawing back into the playoff hunt

[TwentyThirtyFive]

As far as Bischotti goes, the Ravens are a model organization. That starts with his leadership. He isnt perfect, but there is no need for him to feel like he has to change much of anything

[BSLMattJergensen]

Regardless, wasting time complaining about the HC is pointless right now. Hes not going to be fired midseason. We are presumably getting our MVP QB back so the focus should be clawing back into the playoff hunt

 

I don't see talking about as a waste of time. I agree that no one is getting fired mid-season, not Harbaugh or any of the other position coaches. A coaching change at this point isn't going to change much. But when things go this wrong it's worth taking a look at how you handle business top down. 

 

On the other hand if you think that it's just about injuries and that this coaching staff and roster can still make the playoffs then you're happy and entitled to that opinion.

 

A healthy Lamar Jackson is paramount to even a remote chance of going on an extended winning streak. They need to start with the Bears in two weeks.

[makoman]

I agree no one is getting fired mid season unless the rails totally fall off, but it's still reasonable to talk about. I think it's going to be interesting to see just how the team looks against the Bears. They have felt pretty checked out and lifeless for the most part. Harbs has the bye week to get them to buy back in and everyone knows it's basically wake up now or the season is over. They are hopefully getting their best player back and have a very winnable game at home. The primary job of a non-coordinator CEO coach is to have everyone motivated and ready to go to play their best, so if he can't do that in this of all weeks then he doesn't have it anymore with this group of players, it'll be 2007 all over again and time to move on IMO.

[Mike B]

I really don't think we need a reality check.  The goal right now should be to play one good game against the Bears and move on from there.

I think they made some progress on Sunday, but just could not sustain drives.  Rush does not fit what the Ravens do. When he is in the game, the other 10 need to adjust what they are used too.  I honestly feel if LJ had played Sunday the Ravens win.

 

Henry looked good on Sunday, but not much else was working.  The game was lost when the Rams pulled the goal line stand.  

 

The defense was better.  Trenton Simpson had what was probably his best NFL game.

 

The big kid Okoye played well.  They really need one or two of the tackles to get better.

 

Hamilton looked good moving all around the field and Gilman looks to be a sure tackler.  

 

Losing Robinson is another blow to the front 7.  He is their best OLB.

[Slidemaster]

There is a point where this team sucks badly enough that Harbaugh is thanked for his service and sent on his way. Talking about that possibility is not a waste of time to me.

[Mike B]

There is a point where this team sucks badly enough that Harbaugh is thanked for his service and sent on his way. Talking about that possibility is not a waste of time to me.

I would be very surprised if they do it during the season.

Getting Smith, Stanley, Ricard and Lamar back will tell us how much they can recover.

Again, just play a good game against the Bears and win.

[Slidemaster]

I would be very surprised if they do it during the season.
Getting Smith, Stanley, Ricard and Lamar back will tell us how much they can recover.
Again, just play a good game against the Bears and win.

The crazy thing is I think the Bears, even if Lamar is back, might be a better team at this point than the Ravens are. Any team with real weapons on offense will give them fits because their defense might as well not be on the field.

[Mackus]

Regardless, wasting time complaining about the HC is pointless right now. Hes not going to be fired midseason. We are presumably getting our MVP QB back so the focus should be clawing back into the playoff hunt

He's definitely not getting fired in-year but it's a worthy topic and has been for years. His warts are real. And while there is obviously far more room to go backwards than forwards, if you think the warts are preventing the team from breaking through in the postseason then moving on makes sense. Throughout the struggles to get back to another Super Bowl, the high floor has been John's biggest asset. When that collapses, seems very fair to question if another voice would be better.

[BSLMattJergensen]

I really don't think we need a reality check.  The goal right now should be to play one good game against the Bears and move on from there.

I think they made some progress on Sunday, but just could not sustain drives.  Rush does not fit what the Ravens do. When he is in the game, the other 10 need to adjust what they are used too.  I honestly feel if LJ had played Sunday the Ravens win.

 

Henry looked good on Sunday, but not much else was working.  The game was lost when the Rams pulled the goal line stand.  

 

The defense was better.  Trenton Simpson had what was probably his best NFL game.

 

The big kid Okoye played well.  They really need one or two of the tackles to get better.

 

Hamilton looked good moving all around the field and Gilman looks to be a sure tackler.  

 

Losing Robinson is another blow to the front 7.  He is their best OLB.

 

When you lose the positives get lost sometimes.

 

Good point about Simpson. He probably had his best game as a pro. The Defense overall looked much better though they can't get pressure off the edge. It will be an issue all season unless someone steps up. Losing Robinson hurts. Watching Oweh get his first sack for the Chargers stung a bit too.

[Mackus]

Watching Oweh get his first sack for the Chargers stung a bit too.

Did you see that play? It was a one yard loss where he beat a TE to the outside and there were 3 other guys ready to get Tua another step upfield. Still a sack, but not a major impact play other than it occured on 3rd down.

I'll never regret trading Oweh. Not fair to compare him exactly to the Bryan Baker trade, but that's close to how I feel about it.

[You Play to Win the Game]

Orr being in this organization is the final straw. I'm officially out on Harbaugh. It's run its course. A job very well done on the whole. Time to move on.

[makoman]

Orr being in this organization is the final straw. I'm officially out on Harbaugh. It's run its course. A job very well done on the whole. Time to move on.

If you're gonna be a CEO coach that doesn't participate on Sundays another thing you need to be really good at is hiring coordinators. Too often he is hit or miss there, and then he usually seems to take a year too long to fire the misses.